The Noleanders Douglas Fir

Wow! Great tree! Any I, too, somehow missed this thread first time around.


I almost like the rear view better as it shows more low trunk movement! But I know the apex would be moving away...

Anyway, beautiful tree!
 
Looking good Dan.

Since we seem to be the only ones here growing the dougies maybe we can share/compare some horticultural notes?

Some of my observations.

Cooley spruce gall adelgids- absolutely rampant in my area. Soapy water in the morning and jet spray of water in the aft a couple times in spring during the crawler stage does a pretty good job of removing them.

Needle cast. (Rhabdocline pseudotsugae)- full sun and avoidance of frequent misting during may-june when spore are active I think will help reduce incidence. I've been watching young trees in the wild growing strongly year after year despite heavy infection. Obviously not good for the tree but treatable and no cause for panic. Infected needles look fine throughout the summer and symptoms show up in fall. Weak branches can be lost from infection and mottled needles will not look good in a show.

There is a species of mycohorriza common with Doug fir known to cause pale needle colour, its not thought to be harmful to the tree. Pale but uniform needle color may or may not indicate a problem.

Soil and watering, I've been treating them much the same as pondys and rmjs, you? (Edit- Armillaria root rot fungus is pretty common in Doug fir, a possible reason to avoid to many wet components in soil. Said to be untreatable? I've passed up nice collectible trees showing infection, watch for a white latex like substance showing through cracks in the bark)

Pruning, pinching, back budding response- Douglas firs in nature suffer through needle loss and defoliation quite a lot. The issues I mentioned above are very common needle loss mechanisms, the Douglas fir tussock moth every now and then totally defoliates large areas of fir forest. Browsing ungulates go for the small Doug firs in spring before the tastier greenery has a chance to grow. All this is to say that they out of necessity have evolved a pretty good ability to back bud. A healthy dougfir with reserves can actually survive total defoliation and bud removal and come out with increased density, I've seen it many times including on an old yamadori in my yard after deer browsing one time and on some small experimental trees in the ground on my property.
This gives one good reason to have faith that backbudding will occur once branch vigour is established, no need to rush or try to force back budding on a weak branch or tree section. Locations that only produce a single bud at the tip should be left alone generally IMO.

I've been mostly pruning off the central buds and removing unneeded apical growth as i try to develop the things, results are looking promising. I haven't played with pruning of extending growth much yet. I'd be interested to hear pruning schedules and methods that you've been taught and that others are using.

Feel free to refute, ignore or add to my observations on the dougs, one of my favorite species I hope to keep seeing more successful ones around.
 
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Missed this before, glad you updated, so I could see this wonderful tree. Sounds like creating this was quite an experience.
Thanks for sharing it.
 
I too love this tree. I agree with Vance to consider submitting it for the 2016 US National. Looking good Dan!
 
Thanks everyone! I'm glad you like it! :)

I apologize for the slow response; I had a very busy day, full of very important tasks... lol. I spent the morning making music with friends at church, then went bowling with the same friends at a farewell party to one of our band members. Then I took a nice long walk along the river with my dog, and finally home to relax and watch some shows with my wife. Oh, and of course watering my bonsai in between.

Beautiful...an iconic tree in your collection.

Thanks Brian!

I'm not sure how I missed this thread the first time around. What a wonderful tree! Seeing that gnarly, old fir, along with the maple, dusted with snow reminded me of years gone by and seasons changing. It almost makes me want to move back up north................almost:p.

Thanks Dave! I don't think I could ever give up the seasons. I would go crazy if there wasn't ever much of a change in weather.

Wow! Great tree! Any I, too, somehow missed this thread first time around.


I almost like the rear view better as it shows more low trunk movement! But I know the apex would be moving away...

Anyway, beautiful tree!

Thanks Adair! I do really like the movement from that back/side, but yes it's leaning far.. far away from us in that shot. I've toyed with the idea of tilting the tree up, but I think the base would just look completely off.

Missed this before, glad you updated, so I could see this wonderful tree. Sounds like creating this was quite an experience.
Thanks for sharing it.

Thanks Judy! It was a fun workshop. I picked the tree with by far that needed by far the most wire. I was wiring like a mad man the whole time and the last one to have the tree relatively finished. Marc is a great guy, and a lot of fun to learn from.

Spectacular tree and a native as well. I hope in two years you consider entering it in theNational Show in New York.

I too love this tree. I agree with Vance to consider submitting it for the 2016 US National. Looking good Dan!

I'll third that! Great looking tree Dan!

Thanks guys! I don't know if the tree will be ready by then, but if it is I will be glad to submit it. I'll probably start with a couple of local club shows and work my way up. :)
 
Thanks for your notes Wireme!

I'll be honest.. I don't take nearly as good of notes as you.

I've never had to deal with any critters on this tree yet. (cross my fingers!) But we have collected a few with adelgids. The needles will be a bit yellower sometimes, but they haven't seemed to harm the trees too excessively. We treat them very much the same as you, and they are generally gone is a season or two. We also find them on some limbers and ponderosas.

I pinched the candles back this year (about half the new growth), and the tree seems to have responded with good back-budding. The new buds didn't open this year, but they are nice and fat for next spring. -- I don't think I could ever bring my self to defoliate one of these. Yikes! I will watch the full sized trees for patterns like you mentioned though.

You info is helpful and sound as far as I can tell. I'll add what I can as this tree and others develop. I too hope to see more of these around! Ryan Neil has styled some killer Dougies. I think there are one or two on his site right now.
 
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There is nothing better on a bonsai web site, than to see people post trees showing great feats of improvement. This thread shows that in spades. Love the snow pics.
 
Thanks Al,
I think what's improved more than anything is how I see the tree. The tree is developing; the tree is healthier, there is more ramification, and I've adjusted several branches. But I really think the most growth has come from me simply learning to see it better.
 
Hey Dan....very cool tree. I actually prefer the viewing angle from the back or side of the tree where you see the lower curver better. This is one of your snow covered photos of the tree on your bench. The snow on the needles gives the tree a fuller appearance as well...... Tom
 
Thanks Tom. Here's a shot from the back to show just how far the tree is leaning away from that curve. I agree it's nice to look at, but I don't want that much tree going directly away for a front. I could tilt the tree up, but there wouldn't be any nebari and the trunk would under - cut to the soil line.

 
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Hey Dan....very cool tree. I actually prefer the viewing angle from the back or side of the tree where you see the lower curver better. This is one of your snow covered photos of the tree on your bench. The snow on the needles gives the tree a fuller appearance as well...... Tom
Hi Dan; I noticed that too and agree with Tom. However it's your tree and I completely understand not wanting it leaning so far "away". And it is a nice tree! I have a couple of Randys Ponderosa Yamadori and I'm going to have to deal with these same conundrums as well as what the limited root systems will allow. But it's WORTH it!
 
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