Tree collecting guidelines.

M. Frary

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I've decided to post a thread on some basic collecting guidelines in hopes of helping others getting started on this rewarding way of getting good material.
I worked at a landscape nursery for almost 4 years. In that time I learned how to be successful at digging trees to put in containers,balling and burlap ping trees and transplanting trees with a large tree spade.
The trees that went into buckets I dug up by hand. I had to be able to transplant a tree from the ground to a bucket with a fair amount of certainty it would live. We guaranteed every tree. Everything I learned there I put to use collecting from wilds.
First let's talk about the tree you collect. You may be the first human to ever see this tree. When you collect it you are taking it from a place in which it has been growing happily it's whole long life. It will be your responsibility to provide a new place in which it can be happy. Remember, it never asked to be ripped out of its home so you owe it this much. This tree owns you as much as you own it. No matter if it stays with you till the end of your days or you sell or give it away you will always know this tree more intimately than any other person. You were the one who collected it. And once you collect a tree it will change the way you think about and look at trees for forever more.
Preparation:
There are a few things you will need in order to successfully collect a tree.
1: A good shovel. I use a long handle pointed shovel you find in any hardware. A folding shovel may sound like a good idea but you need the leverage of a long handled shovel. I also suggest you sharpen it. The shovel can cut through some fairly large roots.
2: Saws. Two of them. One for the trunk. And one for roots. I use a curved blade hand saw for both applications. It rips through roots like crazy. I know some people use rechargeable reciprocating saws like a Sawzall but I like to keep the weight factor to a minimum.
3: Bypass cutters. For roots too. The ones too large to cut with the shovel but not so large you need the saw.
4: A container to put the tree in. Pines need to be brought out with native soil. I recommend balling them up with burlap or what I use,a bed sheet cut to size. Buckets are a bit cheaper to carry any distance so I use them only when I'm close to my vehicle. Balled trees can be put in a backpack.
5: Backpack. It's uses are manyfold. Holds tools and trees.
6:Compass or gps device. You can get lost very easily. Make sure you can get out of the woods. And know where you are in case something happens.
7: First aid kit. Nothing major but you will be using sharp tools and are out in the woods. Your safety is a primary concern. The most wicked yamadori will do you no good if you kill yourself out in the bush.

The Collecting.
So you finally made it to the tree with all of your gear. You're ready to make this future masterpiece yours but where do you start.
I like to clean out all of the dead leaves,grass and whatever else is around the trunk. Leave the growing grass though. It will help keep the rootballs intact. I've dug trees out of sand,gravel,muck and clay. They all present their own problems but the premise is the same with all of them. To get as many roots as possible. Sand and muck are easier. Gravel is tough because you need to work at getting the shovel around the stones. Clay is heavy. The best thing about clay though is it stays together better than the others.
Now is the time to saw the trunk down. It's easier when the tree is anchored in the ground.
You're ready for the actual digging. I place the shovel about 8 to 10 inches out from the trunk. This gives you a root ball from 16 to 20 inches across. Step down on the shovel vigorously. When you run into big roots the shovel will slip sideways. Just keep going around the tree shoving it in in a circle completely around. It will go into the soil between the larger roots cutting smaller ones.
Now move out 6 inches or so. Find the big roots and dig out around them in order to expose them for some sawing. Once you have the big surface roots cut its time to go around the tree again with the shovel. You need to get it all of the way down in the ground up to where you stand on it. Keep going around prying a little inward each time you move the shovel. This helps pack the dirt around the roots. Once all the side roots are cut you may need to cut a tap root. Trees in sand or dry conditions almost always have one. You may need to dig down to it in order to cut the tap root. Sometimes the tree can be tipped up to get at it. One thing to remember is that at no time grasp the trunk. Not to tip the tree or to carry it.
Once the roots are all cut and the tree is free slide the shovel down alongside the root ball and pry it up. Once it is moveable,holding the shovel with one hand,reach down with your free hand and slide it down the opposite side of the root ball. When you can grasp the point of the shovel,lift the tree out of the hole and set it on the cloth you brought to wrap it in. Wrap it tight. Tie it to the trunk with a piece of twine. Be a good person and backfill the hole,gather up your tree and your gear and head out!
Aftercare.
Once you get the tree home you have a few things you need to do.
Pines and junipers go in a bucket with the native soil intact. Water good and place in the shade for at least a week.
Decidious trees should be washed and barerooted. At this time cut back all of the large roots you can get away with. Place in a collander in bonsai soil. I set mine right out in the sun.
I hope this thread helps people successfully do some collecting.
 
Mike, you obviously love collecting trees, and have shown some great stuff. Wish I could join you sometime. May I add a few things to your guidelines?

1. The first rule is only collect where you have permission. Yes, I’d wager that almost all of us who collect regularly have at least been tempted to violate this rule at one time or another, collecting a tree at the side of a lonely road or along a railroad track. But doing this risks fines or worse, and can give the bonsai community a bad reputation.

2. Know your species - some trees are much more likely to survive abuse. I try to stick with the ones that survive the root abuse.

3. The tools you bring depend on the dig site. Mike described tools for the forest. They are useless in the mountains. Know your site and plan accordingly. To the list Mike provides for the forest, I would add a cordless reciprocating saw.

4. The process, if you bring the reciprocating saw, can start by running the saw around the tree, as deep as you can cut, at the 10 - 12 inches out that Mike describes. Personally, I leave the tree tall initially, so I can use the trunk as leverage to pull the tree to one side and expose more roots for the saws, Then pull to the other side, etc. Often times a tree in soft soil can be had this way without too much sweat. Then at the end, I cut the trunk short for transport.

5. For aftercare I would add - for the first year don't move or work on your tree. Give it at least that long to recover.

Life is different in the mountains. I'm still learning how to do it right in the midwest. Best advice of all - go with an experienced collector if you can. They'll show you the ropes in your locale, and it's always safer in pairs.

Brian
 
I would add a handgun to the list of supplies ;)

Grimmy

I thought about it too. I actually carry a machete. But that's for getting through brush. There are places where one would come in handy. Out West for big cats and Grizzly bears. Down south for gators. Up here in the woods for meth lab workers.
 
I'd like to add that if you are collecting large specimens, have your grow boxes (or holes in the ground) all prepared beforehand so it can be replanted ASAP. That includes a ready source of water.
 
I would add a handgun to the list of supplies ;)

Grimmy

While I'm an avid 2nd Amendment guy and firearms enthusiast, and have done a lot of bonsai collecting (and panning) in remote areas, and while I know there are varying opinions about such matters, I think this video -
- gives better advice [and please listen about the need for the .44mag, not the usual self-defense rounds].

Also, while everyone worries about brown bears because of their size, black bears are apparently responsible for far more human deaths, probably because their range is much greater, and because they are more likely to live closer to humans, and because they can climb up trees after you, whereas the brown bears cannot. We have black bears (and occasional cougar sitings) in the neighborhood where I live, but they seem to stay clear of humans here for the most part (though not in other parts of the Pacific Northwest), and so, while I merely carry locally, when I'm really headed for the wilds - for instance near Port Hardy on Vancouver Island, where signage proudly declares their dubious honor as, "Black Bear Capital of the World" - I also take the big canister of pepper spray. Fortunately, never had to use either. :)

Another possibly apocryphal factoid I've heard: People who enjoy such things have paired off various highly dangerous predators in a cage to see which animal is the baddest kid on the block: apparently the bear invariably wins, and easily. They are not to be taken lightly.
 
I've decided to post a thread on some basic collecting guidelines in hopes of helping others getting started on this rewarding way of getting good material.

I appreciate your effort to post your experience here. You have a great deal of useful info to convey, and I encourage you to consider posting it in the Resource area. I think it is good, however, as BrianBay9 mentioned, to specify that your wisdom was gleaned by collecting in certain sorts of areas, but may not be useful for those who collect in other climates and terrains. I have found collecting to be vastly different in different areas, and maybe a series of collecting tutorials covering different techniques applicable to different regions and even different trees could be built around yours. I am also of the opinion that anyone who wants to learn collection really owes it to themselves (and to the trees they are likely to kill if they do not head this advice) to learn collecting first hand and in depth by going with an expert into the field a number of times until they really know what they are doing.

Anyway, great tutorial/article, and thanks.
 
Good vid G52; I'll be adding pepper spray next time out...
 
Also, while everyone worries about brown bears because of their size, black bears are apparently responsible for far more human deaths

I live near the black bear capitol of Michigan. When a black bear attacks it isn't a territorial thing. He's after you to eat you.
 
One tool that I have used numerous times in collecting is a three ton come-along. It's heavy, requires bringing chains (or heavy duty tow straps), and needs an anchor point close by, but for pulling big ornery trees, there is no exception short of a truck/tractor which is often impractical. It's also important to leave the collected tree tall enough so that you can get some real leverage. Crank, cut/dig, repeat.
 
Great thread. Lots of good info here. I'll add a couple. Know what the soil conditions are before you commit. Might save you a herniated disk from a saturated clay ball, or a disintegrated root ball because you tried to dig in bone dry sand. Because you maybe in remote areas, always let someone know where you are going and when you expect to be back just in case it hits the fan out there. I've started keeping a chainsaw in the truck. Run into a lot of downed trees on remote roads where people haven't been. Tough to not be able to access a desired area. Worse to find your way out blocked when leaving.
 
Come along is a good idea I think if you are digging in rocks and clay - but sure best practice would be not to pull on trunk though. Handgun might be good idea too. Depending where you are. I know in some remote parts of trans Pecos texas you could stumble on a bear or mountain lion (both somewhat unlikely) more likely some illegal aliens. The later will most likely be more scared of you than you are of them, but you never know.

Letting someone know where you are is an absolute must especially if you are alone. A GPS is definitely worth it. Even if you think you know where you are. I havent done a lot of collecting like this but have hiked alone in very remote areas for years.
 
Thanks for this frary!

Quick question. ... are there any trees up here in the north that I can or should go out and cut or trim down now in the fall?
 
Thanks for this frary!

Quick question. ... are there any trees up here in the north that I can or should go out and cut or trim down now in the fall?
Nope. Too late. Injuring a tree when it's dormant is something I recommend. Now is a good time to go looking for trees and getting permission for spring.
 
I would bring a seeding or "yearling?" along to put in place of the tree you're dinging out. Don't just take and not give back man.

Who knows; maybe in a few yeas that seedling might grow to a beautiful tree too. Or not. But at least it will have it's place...
 
I would bring a seeding or "yearling?" along to put in place of the tree you're dinging out. Don't just take and not give back man.

Who knows; maybe in a few yeas that seedling might grow to a beautiful tree too. Or not. But at least it will have it's place...


Next time you go buy a pack of toilet paper to wipe your ass maybe you should go plant some extra trees.... man...
 
Just so you know I'm just messing around .... planting tree is a nice thing to do and it's helping out the earth.
 
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