Yamadori arborvitae

[sorce]

If you can graft hinoki...how come all we ever here about is how they don't back bud on old wood...

And not...

Fuck it just graft foliage closer?

Might be some kind of difficult....

Or have we been ass-stupid not grafting it into itself when it needs it?

Sorce

 

[sorce]

@M. Frary


Sorce

 

[jcrossett]

@M. Frary
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Wtf happened

 

[jcrossett]

@sorce good point this needs to be figured out.

I went to my local spot and they don't have hinoki but I did find this beast. Hell need another thread . big ol blue rug

 

[eferguson1974]

Lmfao.

Now were looking for a dori? Lol

 

[M. Frary]

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She wasn't that hard to find after all! Been at Subway the whole time! Maybe on a fish sandwich.

 

[jcrossett]

@eferguson1974 yes we are pick a dori any dori. Yardadori, deadadori, how about dorkadori.

 

[jcrossett]

Fuck

First time I've seen the f bomb dropped. Hell yea f bombs away

 

[barrosinc]

 

[Paradox]

^^^ LOL

 

[sorce]

did find this beast

So she's leaving?

What did you do!

Sorce

 

[jcrossett]

So she's leaving?

What did you do!

Sorce

Lmao. I found it not bought it. Well not yet atleast I have a small one in my garden so I'm going "swap" them lol.

 

[jcrossett]

Don't worry @sorce I'll let you know when I get it.

 

[jcrossett]

Okay if I'm going to be grafting, I'm going to need a grafting knife....

So I reckon I'll be getting this guy...

 

[jcrossett]

Just a small update since the hard pruning, and I've had no die back (yet). Here's the beautiful thing new growth, lots of it.

 

[Moonster]

Of couse you can have yard or garden grown trees that are better than a wild grown tree.

Unless I misunderstand the term or perhaps it is the bonsai community that has put an incorrect connotation to the word. "Yamadori" to me means of a wild origin, not of hoticultural origin.

If we are to follow the logic that it doesn't matter and for simplicity's sake, then perhaps we should do away with the term "mallsai" or any other word besides "bonsai" as well?

Bonsai is defined as "planted in a container" so under that definition, there is no real difference between a "mallsai" and a tree grown and trained for 20, 50, 100 or more years.

Interesting discussion though.

I think this quote is interesting

"Yamadori is a term used by the Japanese to describe trees collected from the wild. However if you look into the subject further you will see that it also means more which is hard to put into words. As with many words or terms in Japanese culture there is an unspoken meaning. ‘Literati’ is another such word with many forms of interpretation. The term Yamadori has a lot to do with the character and age of the tree. To the Japanese, not every tree dug from the Mountainside is classed as Yamadori. It has to show the battle of growing many years in its form, with its old cracked bark and its trunk twisted by the elements. Such trees are not easy found and the title, Yamadori, is not given lightly. However we people from the West, as usual, go by the basic interpretation and class all trees collected from the wild as Yamadori. Some even class old trees collected from gardens as Yamadori"

IMO, language is dynamic. getting caught up in specific terminology seems largerly pedantic. I agree with the quote that we use it largely to mean a "collected tree". Interestingly, if we were to trying to adhere to japanese tradition and meaning (not important IMO), then many things that we classify as yamadori would not count, even when we are being "strict" with out usage of the word.

If it were up to me personally, I would stop using Japanese words where possible. for most "yamadori", the term "collected tree" seems more clear in its meaning.

just my 2 cents though, not anything worth fighting over or anything

 

[Potawatomi13]

In the end, what difference does it make if a tree was collected from a mountain or a yard.

Much difference between genuine tree grown by God in wild and anything grown by man. "What difference does it make" sounds like criminal hitlery murdering the Benghazi 4 and dismissing her crime. While some yard trees may or will make delightful Bonsai they are still not Yamadori.

 

[Potawatomi13]

Now I need to lv out the pad and decide what to do with the back branching. And the one in the front " how did it survive but the ones behind it die?" Lot of questions I have for myself.

Thanks and don't take it easy on me.

Considering start material you have done very well. Consider idea when repotting to lean tree in direction branches are being blown. Tilt pot to decide angle if using this idea. Good work.

 

[Potawatomi13]

rocky Mt. Junipers, as well as ponderosa pine and some other native North American species, which all have difficult foliage that may be difficult for bonsai.

Maybe should speak with Ryan Neil, Walter Pall, Andy Smith, etc before making such ill advised misleading statements.

 

[rockm]

Maybe should speak with Ryan Neil, Walter Pall, Andy Smith, etc before making such ill advised misleading statements.

Jeez, what's up your posterior?

Not misleading at all. You might ask them if the foliage is easier to handle compared to typical black pines, shimpaku, etc. on any of the trees I've mentioned.