Recomended outdoor tree for N. CA

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Hi. New to plants and am trying to decide on what species to try out first. I want something I can keep outdoors year round. I'm in the SF Bay Northern California zone 9b. What's the hardiest tree you would recommend to get my foot in the door? I like the look of junipers but dont know if that's a good choice.
 

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Based on your zip code, it looks like you're near Vallejo. I'm in Sacramento. We're really lucky here that our climate lets us grow just about any tree outside year round, with only a very few exceptions (namely, tropicals). Depending on how close you are to the coast, you might even be able to keep a ficus outdoors in the winter.

Since you're new to plants, I'd suggest that you resist the urge to buy expensive, complete or near-complete bonsai plants now. First, learn to keep cheap trees alive, then move on to more expensive ones. With that said, your local Home Depot, Lowes, or other nursery can be a great place to find trees like this. I'd suggest that you begin with some trees that are easy to care for and are fast growers. I'm sure others can add to this list, but some starters could include: Boxwood, pomegranate, cotoneaster (there are a few different kinds), privet, juniper, and Chinese elm. Japanese maples can be a little fussy, so those might not be the best beginner trees. Trident maples are less fussy, provided that you give them a little afternoon shade. Junipers would work great. Shimpaku and procumbens nana junipers are very often used for bonsai, though just about any that are sold in a nursery around here will work fine.

If you want to visit a local bonsai nursery, Lone Pine Nursery in Sebastopol is awesome. If you ever make it to Sacramento, Maruyama Bonsai Nursery is very nice too. The elderly Japanese couple who own it are very knowledgable and helpful.
 

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Awesome reply Shinjuku. Yes I'm a few blocks away from Vallejo. Probably too cold at night in winter for ficus. I like the idea of learning just to keep thing alive to start off with. I dont really plan on buying expensive bonsai. I'm more interested in creating my own from nursery stock. More in it to see what I can create from something cheap lol. I'll research the trees you suggested so thanks for that.

One thing I need to try because of my wife's request is Azaleas. I realized they're on the more difficult side but Im willing to get one n see if I can just keep it alive and thriving for a year before trying to make it a bonsai. I just have to figure out my hard water situation but I started another another thread for that.
 

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To the list above I would add that California coastal live oaks (Quercus agrifolia) are pretty much bullet proof in our area, if you like the look of them.
 

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For azaleas, your Home Depot may still have some of their $8.00 1 gallon azaleas left. You could always grab one of those, practice keeping it alive now through the winter, and then buy a nicer Satsuki or something in the spring. For me, I learn best by a combination of both reading and practicing on cheap trees from the local nursery.
 

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To the list above I would add that California coastal live oaks (Quercus agrifolia) are pretty much bullet proof in our area, if you like the look of them.

Great suggestion. I do like the look I'll read up on them
 

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You might try Celtis Sinensis...Hackberry. It grows well in middle to Southern California and it also grows very well in my Michigan winter climate. Those are very different environments but grows in both. My Celtis are growing in the ground for trunks and stay outside all winter....they’ve be outside and growing well for 7 years. The trees prefer warm and sunny....during my season I give them as much sun as nature provides. You have plenty of sun I believe. Deciduous....worth trying....if you like Deciduous trees.
 

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Awesome reply Shinjuku. Yes I'm a few blocks away from Vallejo. Probably too cold at night in winter for ficus. I like the idea of learning just to keep thing alive to start off with. I dont really plan on buying expensive bonsai. I'm more interested in creating my own from nursery stock. More in it to see what I can create from something cheap lol. I'll research the trees you suggested so thanks for that.

One thing I need to try because of my wife's request is Azaleas. I realized they're on the more difficult side but Im willing to get one n see if I can just keep it alive and thriving for a year before trying to make it a bonsai. I just have to figure out my hard water situation but I started another another thread for that.
It's a good game plan. I'm pretty new at this, just over 1 year in. My main focus has largely been to learn trees; to get mileage maintaining, caring for, and hopefully, keeping my trees alive. I've also been chipping away at acquiring a variety of trees, mostly smaller, cheaper nursery stock - I want to succeed - but any failures won't hurt my wallet so much. And I've tried to mix it up with my species a bit, so that I have some variety and different characteristics.
 

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It's a good game plan. I'm pretty new at this, just over 1 year in. My main focus has largely been to learn trees; to get mileage maintaining, caring for, and hopefully, keeping my trees alive. I've also been chipping away at acquiring a variety of trees, mostly smaller, cheaper nursery stock - I want to succeed - but any failures won't hurt my wallet so much. And I've tried to mix it up with my species a bit, so that I have some variety and different characteristics.

Cool that's the path I want to take. Glad to see a year in and you're still at it. Gives me hope ??
 

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Out of all those trees listed I only saw a japanese boxwood while I was picking something up at my local home depot. Probably go to a better nursery next week and see what's there. Appreciate all the suggestions from everyone!
 

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Peak temperature not same as local San Francisco and Oakland Area Small climate weather. Hai Consideration of Tree is reasonable. Hai The less skill-sets then preferably something education is easily achievable through reasonable study. Knowing formula 6 CO2 + 6 H20= C6H12O6 + 6 O2 Is optional study area. Knowing to keep tree living is basic in respect. Hai Hai You can using information from internet to keeping some local tree like some Boxwood, Pine, Juniper, Maple is made is easy doing. Hai Consideration of local club Bonsai is advisable.
 

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Out of all those trees listed I only saw a japanese boxwood while I was picking something up at my local home depot. Probably go to a better nursery next week and see what's there. Appreciate all the suggestions from everyone!

I went here for the first time last week - https://www.urbantreefarm.com/ They are a standard nursery, good prices, lots of olive (did anyone add olive to your list?), J maples, some oaks, and a variety of other things. Many are bigger than you might want to start with, but their prices are really good on what can be excellent raw stock. These guys - http://www.calaverasnursery.com/ - also have good stock, including lots of junipers. Again, not a bonsai nursery but good raw material.
 

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I went here for the first time last week - https://www.urbantreefarm.com/ They are a standard nursery, good prices, lots of olive (did anyone add olive to your list?), J maples, some oaks, and a variety of other things. Many are bigger than you might want to start with, but their prices are really good on what can be excellent raw stock. These guys - http://www.calaverasnursery.com/ - also have good stock, including lots of junipers. Again, not a bonsai nursery but good raw material.


I see from the I680 many time. Never stopping in there. They have the older olive tree stocks? Thank you.
 
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