leatherback
The Treedeemer
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2021 Challenge?
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James W.
Chumono
Yep. But it would be nice if we could find a way to get everybody started basically level. Maybe from seed is the only way to do that.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
As I putting together a few ROR projects this winter, I would put something in that theme. The rest, unlikely. Too many trees to just randomly participate in challenges / new projects till I get rid of 30 or so plants.
zanduh
Mame
I like the bad tree suggestion. With your entry you could post the thread or website or book page that says that the species you chose is bad for bonsai.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Why would you choose to start on tree species that are generally recognized to be suboptimal?
James W.
Chumono
ROR with a particular species, maybe something seen less often but not difficult.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Key to participation is to not make it too dificult to participate. So species needed, pots / age / .. all add to complecity.
I have elms, larch and trident seedlings for a ROR project. If the choice falls on a specific species, which is not one of these, I will not participate. And with me many who have sufficient trees: If one is planning on doing a project that falls in the competiotn, sure, participate. If the rules are too limiting and dictate to use another species than they have in mind on the other hand..
I have elms, larch and trident seedlings for a ROR project. If the choice falls on a specific species, which is not one of these, I will not participate. And with me many who have sufficient trees: If one is planning on doing a project that falls in the competiotn, sure, participate. If the rules are too limiting and dictate to use another species than they have in mind on the other hand..
zanduh
Mame
I think tradition and word of mouth are such large driving forces in this art. With limited time in life to try projects that take many years it’s easier to take the word of someone else when they say don’t try X. I’m not saying every project would be successful but it would be interesting to see how many “bad” species hold up
zanduh
Mame
We could have multiple challenges!
Challenge 1 2021: Root Over Rock
Challenge 2 2021: TBD
Challenge 1 2021: Root Over Rock
Challenge 2 2021: TBD
zanduh
Mame
How do people feel about these being the two challenges?
Challenge 1 2021: 6 Year Root Over Rock
Challenge 2 2021: 6 Year Native Tree, Native Pot
Or is there a different challenge from my lists or that you have come up with that you would really like to do?
Challenge 1 2021: 6 Year Root Over Rock
Challenge 2 2021: 6 Year Native Tree, Native Pot
Or is there a different challenge from my lists or that you have come up with that you would really like to do?
HorseloverFat
Squarepants with Conkers
I’ll play!
But you gotta help me get THIS one going, too!
X years of monitoring/comparing fruiting tree cuttings?
As it is just about “hardwood cutting time” in my neck of the woods.... I was “kicking around” the idea of a group of people, taking a certain number of fruiting tree cuttings, and observing them over the course of a handful of years.. (Contest style) This idea will be refined, structured and...
LittleDingus
Omono
I would consider a shohin challenge. I think that's a reasonable project (for my skill level anyway
) for a 5 year time scale.I'm not sure how ROR would go in practice? The first few years might be a tad dull since much of the point of the contest is underground! It feels a bit random on how the roots turn out. Or would the point be that different people might try different techniques to encourage good roots? I don't know...I've got two ROR projects started this spring and I don't intend to do anything other than grow either as vigourously as I can for at least 1 more season. Maybe in year 3 I might take a peak... but maybe not? Anyway, that's my point, the outcome might be interesting but is there an erosion of interest along the way because not much is happening??
Other than the "for fun" part what is the goal of the challenge? Horticulture? Bonsai techniques? Style? A shonin challenge feels like it leans more towards horticulture and artistry to me as the amount of bonsai technique one can apply to young trees is limited a bit by just trying to get them to grow!
My thoughts anyway. I may be way off base
zanduh
Mame
I have no fruiting trees to do this with but i’ll happily check in and watch the participants!I’ll play!
But you gotta help me get THIS one going, too!
X years of monitoring/comparing fruiting tree cuttings?
As it is just about “hardwood cutting time” in my neck of the woods.... I was “kicking around” the idea of a group of people, taking a certain number of fruiting tree cuttings, and observing them over the course of a handful of years.. (Contest style) This idea will be refined, structured and...www.bonsainut.com
zanduh
Mame
For me the point would be for experimentation both in horticulture and styling. That’s kind of why one of my suggestions was the citizen science.I would consider a shohin challenge. I think that's a reasonable project (for my skill level anyway
I'm not sure how ROR would go in practice? The first few years might be a tad dull since much of the point of the contest is underground! It feels a bit random on how the roots turn out. Or would the point be that different people might try different techniques to encourage good roots? I don't know...I've got two ROR projects started this spring and I don't intend to do anything other than grow either as vigourously as I can for at least 1 more season. Maybe in year 3 I might take a peak... but maybe not? Anyway, that's my point, the outcome might be interesting but is there an erosion of interest along the way because not much is happening??
Other than the "for fun" part what is the goal of the challenge? Horticulture? Bonsai techniques? Style? A shonin challenge feels like it leans more towards horticulture and artistry to me as the amount of bonsai technique one can apply to young trees is limited a bit by just trying to get them to grow!
My thoughts anyway. I may be way off base
I’m not set in stone on the time frame but feedback i had already gotten was that people might lose interest in a 10 year challenge. But yes shohin would probably be the most likely for a lot of projects up to 10 years.
Leo in N E Illinois
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I like the native tree native pot challenge. But I would go 5 years. Collected or purchased plants, raising from seed allowed but not necessary. Better to start with older material in order to keep the time line of 5 years doable.
Also, I would consider it fun if the "native tree" is required to be native to within 200 miles of the grower. In other words, Ponderosa don't count if you live in New York. And American hornbeam (Carpinus caroliniana) don't count if you live in the Pacific Northwest. Blue Spruce don't count if you live in Europe, and Norway spruce don't count if you live in Canada.
Gives everyone a chance to seriously consider trees native within a few miles of their homes. A real challenge for those living in normally treeless habitats.
Also, I would consider it fun if the "native tree" is required to be native to within 200 miles of the grower. In other words, Ponderosa don't count if you live in New York. And American hornbeam (Carpinus caroliniana) don't count if you live in the Pacific Northwest. Blue Spruce don't count if you live in Europe, and Norway spruce don't count if you live in Canada.
Gives everyone a chance to seriously consider trees native within a few miles of their homes. A real challenge for those living in normally treeless habitats.
HorseloverFat
Squarepants with Conkers
THIS!!
I’m in on the native tree and native pot 5 year contest. I like @Leo in N E Illinois Guidelines. I’ve already started some natives from seed this year and I would make my own pot.
Let’s do this!!!
Let’s do this!!!
just.wing.it
Deadwood Head
just.wing.it
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Ooooooohhhhhh, .....I see.....
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