Collected or from seed?
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Well I'm young. ..ish
I grow from both. But I collect my seedlings from the wild. I don't bother with actual seeds. I yank them outta the ground and pot them into 4in round containers over a piece of broken floor tile, to keep them from tap rooting strait through the pot..young ones so full of energy and spirit.
Your soil and water schedule will make or break your plants.
I grow from both. But I collect my seedlings from the wild. I don't bother with actual seeds. I yank them outta the ground and pot them into 4in round containers over a piece of broken floor tile, to keep them from tap rooting strait through the pot..young ones so full of energy and spirit.
Your soil and water schedule will make or break your plants.
coh
Imperial Masterpiece
Serloco, is that you? LOL.
Potawatomi13
Imperial Masterpiece
Having read all this thread must say there is excess of "opinion" against you. Others so called "personal expert opinions" are no more than that. Self arrogance
. Also agree many so called great show trees have obvious massive chops hidden by foliage and is very ugly! Personally will say each travels own road to same destination on this world so can not rightfully disagree with you. Personally have Yamadori trees and seedlings and each has great beauty. As to Yamadori I have seen personally most do not need "chopping back". Many collected trees not that great material and do need chopping back as are only a lower trunk and not much else. Seedlings have their own youthful beauty and exuberance and watching grow, wiring, shaping and being their parent is wonderfully rewarding "IF" one has patience and humility. Obviously some do not. Walking ones own path is how Bonsai developed and believe there is still room for learning this way. Grow and enjoy much
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Thanks, and well met. I enjoy what you have said but sometimes people go free and result in something new, something beyond and away from where every one else was headed. Even somewhere free. I believe that path is called a visionary. It takes determination, a sound and strong vision, and faith and belief in ones own way.
Potawatomi13
Imperial Masterpiece
This is personal road Master Kimura traveled and for doing received much criticism. Today he is recognized as one of the worlds greatest masters. In his society this was very hard road to travel. Could you possibly add your location to your profile
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M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
I'll take some seeds for seiju and hokkaido elms and maybe some deshojo Japanese maple seeds in that case.
If you can get those I got a bridge to sell you.
Speaking of which,are you ever going to put up a picture of your fabulous trees or what?
Every few months we get these guys. Like tantric and serloco and the hari Krishna dude.
Potty is the only one to stay around to plague us with weirdness. I really hope this other guy stays too. If he can't get along with @sorce we're going to have some fun.
coh
Imperial Masterpiece
The parallels between this guy and serloco are just amazing! Both in Ontario, both starting the "bonsai nurseries to end all bonsai nurseries." Compare this guys first thread called "bonsai farm" with serloco's "bonsai arboretum." Gotta be the same person, or closely related at least! Maybe they can pool their resources and buy NEBG.
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Which is why most experienced bonsaiists prefer to start with collected material... and leave the heavy lifting of the first 100 years or so to Mother Nature.
I have the feeling you have never really seen a decent bonsai in your life. Collected trees and those worked down from larger stock are pretty much vastly superior to seed-grown, from Japan to China to the west. Anyone doing bonsai for more than a year or so, doesn't take seed seriously other than for grafting and starting larger stock trees that will be cut down to bonsai size in three or four decades.
If you've developed quality trees from seed, why so shy about showing us and shutting us up? Oh, wait, I bet your camera's broken, or you forgot to take photos...
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
You are hardly a visionary. This is a pretty common thought. Do a search on Serloco, etc. It's a common misconception that growing from seed is a "visionary" idea that results in earth-changing bonsai. Mostly that idea is held by people who are completely uninformed about what bonsai is and how it is made and have never really seen a great or even good bonsai.
jeanluc83
Omono
You are right. Growing trees from seed is very easy. In fact nature does it all the time without any help. What you have not conveyed well is that you have the skills needed to go from seedling to bonsai. That is what people are having problems with. Every time someone questions it you tend to fall back on the “I have a green thumb so I can do anything” argument. At least that is how it reads.
So prove that you know your stuff. As an exercise, give us a 10 year plan to take a seedling and turn it into a pre-bonsai that someone would want to purchase. Break it down by year and be specific on the species.
You may be surprised on how much good input you get based on you plan. When it comes down to it everyone here wants to see this hobby grow and part of that is having new growers. It rubs people the wrong way when you come here and look down on people who have given you very solid advice because you are “good at growing stuff”. There are people here who have been growing trees longer than you have been alive their advice should not be dismissed so easily.
coh
Imperial Masterpiece
Or maybe they have, and they are just trolling the bonsai forums for entertainment...
You asked for good advice?
Well, you stated you were going to grow lots of "Bloodgood" Japanese Maple.
Don't bother. Bloodgood is not well suited for bonsai. Leaves are large. Yeah they reduce some, but not enough. But the main bad thing is the long internodes between branches.
Good luck!
Well, you stated you were going to grow lots of "Bloodgood" Japanese Maple.
Don't bother. Bloodgood is not well suited for bonsai. Leaves are large. Yeah they reduce some, but not enough. But the main bad thing is the long internodes between branches.
Good luck!
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
The petioles Adair! Don't forget the long petioles for God's sake!
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Yeah, but Kimura actually knew what he was doing, WHY he was doing it and HOW to do it. He had been doing bonsai as an apprentice for quite some time. He also didn't bother much to work with seed...Wonder why that is...Oh, and he also had pictures of what he had done--he filled two books with pictures of what he had done. He wasn't coy about SHOWING WHAT HE HAD ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED, hint, hint, nudge, nudge --not noodging you potawatomi.This is personal road Master Kimura traveled and for doing received much criticism. Today he is recognized as one of the worlds greatest masters. In his society this was very hard road to travel. Could you possibly add your location to your profile
