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more zelkova

I’ve sewn Zelkova seed this morning and shaped an ugly duckling,but honestly ,even these will get interesting as they bulk up.No real defined front,but one could get very creative with branching.Kind of neat on such a little tree.Backbudding is everything though with small ones.This method is awesome as I can get a 2” branch to backbud with the fulvic acid and kelp!
I am very excited to do this 2nd batch and employ what I’ve learned from the first batch.
I have decided to sell all these on,but ONLY after they get very ramified.Probably sometime this growing season.I do need to let them rest after their 2nd and 3rd defoliation and just stall the growth a while and let photosynthesize to regain energy.I have several doing that now;) Can see the backbudding in the pictures with just 4” branches!
I will try and make more quantity also..these are not even 5 months yet...so will not take long.The bases already butress a bit since a dense air-layer!
 

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i’ve dubbed this the chojubai hut

i’m very excited I can keep this little 2 1/2 x 2 x 4 1/2‘ tall tent completely sealed and CO2 pumped in very good conditions 64% humidity is a tad high but not that bad.perfect heat for co2.
I think you can see where this is going ....how to get chojubai to grow faster ....well you don’t know till you try and Dirr says they also layer so that be cool if I could make seedling layers at a faster rate than normal really excited about this again you don’t know till you try!
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Korean Hornbeam cuttings

I always liked Korean Hornbeam.Namely the Coreana species.They have tighter growth and better color in Autumn.I hear they are difficult to propagate,but at any rate these two mother plants I have were prepared as best I could and seem to have very high Brix.Leaves are very thick.
was able to stick two nodes into the media and the motherplants had 4 foliar feeds of the Fulvic and kelp beforehand.Also did a 5 minute dip like I do pines.So wish me luck.
I also have lots of seeds of these stratifying.
 

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more cuttings

still doing very good with over 60% success rate of quality roots.
This regime is way better than first go around...consideralbly easier too
 

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You get your system any more productive, you will need to automate.

Watch the videos on the Blackmore Co. page, automatic plug tray filling machines, seeding machines and transplanting machines. And watering machines. Worth killing a little time to see.

 

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You get your system any more productive, you will need to automate.

Watch the videos on the Blackmore Co. page, automatic plug tray filling machines, seeding machines and transplanting machines. And watering machines. Worth killing a little time to see.

I’ll give it a read thank you have a good one
 

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Coreana Hornbeams.

glad to see the Coreana hornbeams are callousing at 7 days!
So,I gave a fulvic acid and kelp root drench and foliar feed.Like these trees.I want a bunch of them. It is satisfying to put a slower growing species into co2 fertilization.
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Chojubai

These small chojubai seem to be growing fast.I have a red and three white.
I keep the red in 1000 ppm co2 in a very small tent with pine starters.
I only had the chojubai 3-4 weeks and it is puttin on the growth and will only get faster.I will try cuttings tonight of the red and whites I have.
Pine startes get mono amonium phosphate and minimal nitrogen the first 3-4 weeks after pottings .Then they get massive roots first before pumping growth.Always roots first with starters...makes much more vigorous.About 1/16tsp per gallon will turn your nutrient into a starter fertilizer.If too much nitrogen they will grow spindly in these early stages.
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seedling cuttings

this batch of seedling cuttings is only about 7 weeks old from the sewing of the seed! Not bad really.I like this stage while on the starter fertilizer, the cotlydon? needles start to get really thick.I believe the co2 assists with that outcome.Big bonus really for early starts to increase photosynthesis.Could be from all the photosynthesis boosting additives and everything really though.
 

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more deciduous cuttings

The Coreana hornbeams are starting to root.It is funny only one of the two stock plants produce viable cuttings.The one with more red hues to the leaves and stems have zero success,but the green one has way better success and does not wither in the propogater.Probably like rooting a red leaf maple or something.
Took new cuttings of chojubai,both red and white...plus more of the green hue Coreana Hornbeam.Probably leave the coreana’s for long time in propogater as you get more abundant roots in many cases by doing this...as long as they get some very mild nutrients to sustain them and also let in a bit of air through vents.
 

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high Brix leaves

These leaves almost resemble some type of polymer filled leafy product.Very durable.I’m assuming it’s from all the calcium pectate in the leaf cells from the addition of amino acids to vastly increase calcium uptake by 1000’s of times.
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seedling cuttings

this batch of seedling cuttings is only about 7 weeks old from the sewing of the seed! Not bad really.I like this stage while on the starter fertilizer, the cotlydon? needles start to get really thick.I believe the co2 assists with that outcome.Big bonus really for early starts to increase photosynthesis.Could be from all the photosynthesis boosting additives and everything really though.

That you get your JBP to that stage in 7 weeks is truly incredible. I put a post up with some of mine that are quite a lot older than that and struggling. I need to improve their environment quite a lot I think.
 

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That you get your JBP to that stage in 7 weeks is truly incredible. I put a post up with some of mine that are quite a lot older than that and struggling. I need to improve their environment quite a lot I think.
Get you a small tent and a 10 pound tank of co2 and you will get these results.....of course need a doser and regulator also. About $300-600😯
Co2at 1000 ppm increses photosynthesis around 50%
last forever in smal tent
 

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My seeds and supplements just got here before Amazon shut everything down. Looks like I have something to keep me busy for quarantine season.
Have things gotten warm enough for you to transition them outside yet? I'm having to watch closely and every other day move stuff into the garage, as everything in the winter bed budded out when we got into the 70s for a few days.
 

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My seeds and supplements just got here before Amazon shut everything down. Looks like I have something to keep me busy for quarantine season.
Have things gotten warm enough for you to transition them outside yet? I'm having to watch closely and every other day move stuff into the garage, as everything in the winter bed budded out when we got into the 70s for a few days.
I like mine indoors all times the JBP for sale.
The deciduous ,I will put out late summer to prepare for first winter storage(actually very short winter ) and bring back inside for accellerated growth.
 

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zelkovas’ 5 months

these are very happy! Despite the roots that manage to escape the rootpouch and rest seemingly content to be buried in some type of bioslime accumilating in my trays.
After I sell this batch off I will clean the trays.
Aiming to make the next batch larger as I am happy how these develope.Only hinderance really is wiring time,so these will be a bit more expensive.They will be developed to a very ramified level so are worth the purchase.
They are at 3rd defoliation....so I let them leaf out and rest quite a while with minimal growth.Then will do one or two more and maybe ready to sell before Autumn.Actually mid-summer is best so they transition outdoors in preperation for their first winter season dormancy.
Awesome development from seed AND airlayered all in a span of 5 months.
Some are pleasing that they even show a slight hint of natural taper and swelling of the base at different angles:D
Can see one example of that below in the close-up(last picture).
 

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