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Hello I have been lurking on the forum reading information for a while but never posted. Until I found these guys wondering if anyone can confirm what it is as the plaque on this park tree is blank (interesting foreign maples in canada area) from weathering..they were only 2 growing next to each other in the untrimmed grass next to a near by juniper, ornamental trees are cool either way they're going to live with me instead of the city weed whacker getting em. Theres always room for more trees lol. A bit of googling of general characteristics tells me it's a orange paper bark maple but therea no pictures of small ones on the interent I cant find..because they are rare.
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I can correct myself, maybe rare in my area (south east canada) I certainly have never seen this tree before so it caught my eye for a long time :) when it was sunny the bark was glowing. I it would be super cool to try and have one growing in my care
 

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I can correct myself, maybe rare in my area (south east canada) I certainly have never seen this tree before so it caught my eye for a long time :) when it was sunny the bark was glowing. I it would be super cool to try and have one growing in my care
There is one listed for sale here. Of course you can't take advantage of that. Being your location and all. But shows they can be turned into bonsai.

Edit: direct link to make it easier. https://pacificbonsaimuseum.z2syste...nsaimuseum/product2.jsp?product=234&tab=photo

 

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So, you got two seedlings? That's great, and unusual because the seed germination rate is terrible. If I were you I would haunt that area from now on and capture them this time of year, every year, just before the first mowing. I do that with a Zelcova in my area and get a couple dozen seedlings every year, and that's better than the yield I get seeding them. There's always a ready market for trading or selling Paperbark Maple.
 

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Its very good to see at least a little activity with it. The two have been doing great since putting them in the pot. They turned from a withered orange brown color to the nice dark green and white hairs.. I read that the bulk of the trouble is getting then to germinate but after that. Once they're a couple years old apparently theyre a solid trees. Loves a ton of light too. I'm new to the whole thing but so far the plant is really simple compared to J maples I'm having crazy difficulty with haha.
Maybe someday I'll have the guts to cut them back or maybe just make them grow big and pretty :)
 

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Yeah, the germination rate problem is that most are empty and float.
 

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So, you got two seedlings? That's great, and unusual because the seed germination rate is terrible. If I were you I would haunt that area from now on and capture them this time of year, every year, just before the first mowing. I do that with a Zelcova in my area and get a couple dozen seedlings every year, and that's better than the yield I get seeding them. There's always a ready market for trading or selling Paperbark Maple.
Yes next year I will be ready Haha. Well in a way it might make sense there could be hundreds of seeds under the ground and around outside that we can never see until they make a move. But we gotta be there and weather needs to permit too of course. And truth is I went out a little late because our spring was harsh so i waited 2 or so more weeks than I normally would to check spring growths out. I feel like the ground just gets filled with these seeds over time and something just has to grow eventually lol.
 

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ya thats a paperbark and they might be rare as bonsai because they are not easily propagated by seed or cutting

i researched that at one point (and currently have a sapling growing of one collected this spring :))
 

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So, you got two seedlings? That's great, and unusual because the seed germination rate is terrible. If I were you I would haunt that area from now on and capture them this time of year, every year, just before the first mowing. I do that with a Zelcova in my area and get a couple dozen seedlings every year, and that's better than the yield I get seeding them. There's always a ready market for trading or selling Paperbark Maple.
yep, what he said^
 

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Yes next year I will be ready Haha. Well in a way it might make sense there could be hundreds of seeds under the ground and around outside that we can never see until they make a move. But we gotta be there and weather needs to permit too of course. And truth is I went out a little late because our spring was harsh so i waited 2 or so more weeks than I normally would to check spring growths out. I feel like the ground just gets filled with these seeds over time and something just has to grow eventually lol.
Be observant. There is a prevailing wind and there will be a drop zone that gets more than it's share of seeds, also there are ground conditions that favor seedlings, like low places where some surrounding grounds drain to them. A little shade from the west or mid-day sun is helpful. If all that comes together within a few feet of the edges of the canopy(s), you got a winner!
 

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ya thats a paperbark and they might be rare as bonsai because they are not easily propagated by seed or cutting

i researched that at one point (and currently have a sapling growing of one collected this spring :))
What does your young tree look like? If you have a picture handy that would be very cool to see as I cant seem to find many small tree photos online. Searching through forums is only a handful of results and some are false ID. Maybe something about the weird spring season I had made them sprout up this year and it is a unique event. Late cold snap things.
 

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What does your young tree look like? If you have a picture handy that would be very cool to see as I cant seem to find many small tree photos online. Searching through forums is only a handful of results and some are false ID. Maybe something about the weird spring season I had made them sprout up this year and it is a unique event. Late cold snap things.
its a little smaller than the two you have, strong real leafs but they dont have the lobes on them yet
 

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Be observant. There is a prevailing wind and there will be a drop zone that gets more than it's share of seeds, also there are ground conditions that favor seedlings, like low places where some surrounding grounds drain to them. A little shade from the west or mid-day sun is helpful. If all that comes together within a few feet of the edges of the canopy(s), you got a winner!
I suspect the surrounding juniper growing around behind me in the photo had protected and "caught" these seeds underneath them. Failed to get a photo of that because I was just on my way out when i discovered it and wanted to go right home after gathering them. But I completely understand.. There is a wide open area beside where this tree is and I wouldn't expect anything much there.. also the entire area is surrounded by large conifers that are very tall. There is also 2 small japanese maples in the area that just barely get by given how windy it can be around here. They produced seedlings as well this year apparently because I found two barely alive.. everything seems to collect around the edges of shrubs in the park because the wind is strong unless there is cover (I guess I'm in a sort of geological valley or something)
 

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its a little smaller than the two you have, strong real leafs but they dont have the lobes on them yet
Interesting. I remember when I gathered it, had very dark bronze colored leaves. Made it stick out like a sore thumb amongst the grass and old dead leaf mulch. I hope we can keep these unique guys alive lol :)
 

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Interesting. I remember when I gathered it, had very dark bronze colored leaves. Made it stick out like a sore thumb amongst the grass and old dead leaf mulch. I hope we can keep these unique guys alive lol :)
yes i hope so as well and the leaf colors are dark like you said. its almost a #s game. for instance: along w that paperbark, i have about 10 traditional jap maples (burgandy color) and two very nice smallleaf green jap maple saplings from this spring. i will be happy if i get 2 or 3, out of 13. stoked those because the green ones i mentioned are looking real good and our weather is forecasted favorably for a week or so now
 

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yes i hope so as well and the leaf colors are dark like you said. its almost a #s game. for instance: along w that paperbark, i have about 10 traditional jap maples (burgandy color) and two very nice smallleaf green jap maple saplings from this spring. i will be happy if i get 2 or 3, out of 13. stoked those because the green ones i mentioned are looking real good and our weather is forecasted favorably for a week or so now
I think your odds of keeping the J maples alive, at least some, are good by a nice number...even if you trial and error it. the two red seedlings I have are seeming to suffer from heat a bit but I managed a way to give them more airflow and shade and it seems to be perking up a bit.. was pretty bent up when found. They really dont enjoy hard sun. It's a cool one though 😎
 

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One more thing: they pull out of the ground more easily if the ground is damp after a rain. I carry a heavy screwdriver which I stick into the soil near the base of the seedling/sapling and bend it 30° or so sideways which breaks up the soil, and the plant can be pulled straight up & out.

These principles apply to other trees, too, so you got a park full, keep your eyes open and search before they mow down everything in spring and the sky's the limit.
 

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One more thing: they pull out of the ground more easily if the ground is damp after a rain. I carry a heavy screwdriver which I stick into the soil near the base of the seedling/sapling and bend it 30° or so sideways which breaks up the soil, and the plant can be pulled straight up & out.

These principles apply to other trees, too, so you got a park full, keep your eyes open and search before they mow down everything in spring and the sky's the limit
Yes it had just finished a big pour before I went out this time. Also for the advantage of less public park go-ers :p tried my best with my fingers and a mini rake tool. Nothing got too damaged I suspect because they took to the pots pretty quickly. It makes me wish this season was not as unstable for my area as usual perhaps more would be around. It's getting a bit late now though I think. Anything I got now that was any smaller might have difficulty getting anywhere this season maybe.
 

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