leatherback
The Treedeemer
make sure you put it inside on top of the radiator, and waer only with a mister esle you get root rot.
Newbie stubborness
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shohin_branches
Omono
I'm shocked at the number of actual posts I've seen like this in the Facebook beginners groups. It's usually my hint to log off because that's when my patience for complete ignorance of basic horticulture kicks in.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
I just hope this forum does not sink to the level of these FB groups.
The slow dissappearence of some of the most knowledgable from this forum hints at a worrysome trend.
Dav4
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I don't think it will. Most of the OGs are still here... a bit slower and a bit more hard of hearing but more ornery than ever. Say something stupid or controversial enough times and it'll provoke a response. Anyway, time for a nap
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Desert O'Piñon
Omono
I haven't been through the whole thread yet, but many good points. I'm trying to be a curious, eager, and receptive newbie, with patience and humility. As @Gabler suggests, I now find myself guilty of proposing advice and solutions to questions even though I don't necessarily have first-hand experience with a certain species.
I seem to have a lot more confidence passing along information to others than I have with pulling the trigger on my own trees.
Guilty. I think it's time for me to reexamine my role here.
"Children (newbies) should be seen, not heard." I'll be asking questions, but until I really have a few years of honest successful experience under my belt, I don't think I really have much to offer yet.
I seem to have a lot more confidence passing along information to others than I have with pulling the trigger on my own trees.
Guilty. I think it's time for me to reexamine my role here.
"Children (newbies) should be seen, not heard." I'll be asking questions, but until I really have a few years of honest successful experience under my belt, I don't think I really have much to offer yet.
Cajunrider
Imperial Masterpiece
Well. I know enough science to be dangerous so I keep my interpretation and projection to myself. When I give advice, it will be from my own experience.
Gabler
Masterpiece
As soon as I realized I was regurgitating advice I had merely read (albeit from reputable sources), I made it an explicit rule for myself that I would not recommend anything I hadn't tried myself and seen the results first-hand. I will occasionally say, "I've read that xyz is a good idea." I want it to be absolutely clear if I'm sharing second-hand information, even if it's originally advice from Kimura himself.
Desert O'Piñon
Omono
Exactly. My experience with soils and growing turfgrass and garden plants is only slightly applicable to bonsai, and I have to temper my zeal to be helpful with a modesty, and keep my arrogance at bay.
Agreed. Intentionally or not, you called me out. And sometimes that's just what we need to open our eyes to our over-inflated egos.
defra
Masterpiece
I hope so neither.
One of the pros is that this is a forum based community and not social media so it takes people a bit more effort to get here to ask questions and also if search on bnut lots if threads were actualy advice is followed there are some times progression photos atached.
Ofcourse there are plenty one day flys here that ask a question get the propper advice and never be seen again.
I am in a couple facebook groups and only one beginner group but i see allot of the same never ending problems being posted.
To some i reply and give advice in others i question the advice given by others like if they say its fall seeing an elm with Brown leaves but it lives indoor i ask people how thats possible most of the times people dont even read and Just say stupid shit.
Another advice is to always rip out a plant from a pot and repot it straight away, ive done the same in the past but most of the times plants are just fine in their nursery can Just adjust the watering a bit but i guess this is not only a thing with bonsai but allot of hobby's
Dogestoevsky
Mame
A classic from Zach Weinersmith of SMBC comics:
leatherback
The Treedeemer
now.. I do not know much about quantum physics, but is this graph related to the Dunning–Kruger effect?
Cajunrider
Imperial Masterpiece
I don't know about y'all but I swear Mount Stupid has a much sharper peak. It's a pain in the ass each time I sit on Mount Stupid.
Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
I agree with others that it is disheartening that so many of our more experienced people have stopped visiting and posting.
Many due to frustration, some because they have grown beyond the forum and are busy advancing in bonsai, others are sadly no longer with us.
I also get frustrated when we get a period of mostly of "Help my tree is dying" posts but the fact of the matter is, you cant grow in the hobby without being a newbie first.
We need and want new people to discover bonsai else the hobby doesn't flourish. Today's newbie are tomorrows more knowledgeable and the future more experienced.
Many due to frustration, some because they have grown beyond the forum and are busy advancing in bonsai, others are sadly no longer with us.
I also get frustrated when we get a period of mostly of "Help my tree is dying" posts but the fact of the matter is, you cant grow in the hobby without being a newbie first.
We need and want new people to discover bonsai else the hobby doesn't flourish. Today's newbie are tomorrows more knowledgeable and the future more experienced.
Cajunrider
Imperial Masterpiece
I actually am OK with newbies asking questions and even challenge the old timers on things. I think that is healthy. The thing I don't like is when the newbies rudely call out the old timers and then continue to challenge even when the community together tell them they are wrong.
Desert O'Piñon
Omono
That's one mountain I'm not proud to be king of!
jumping off, hoping my chute of humility will open into wings of wisdom someday
jumping off, hoping my chute of humility will open into wings of wisdom someday
Clicio
Masterpiece
Nowadays I try to only give advice based on my own experience and my plants.
And with pictures to show the results.
And with pictures to show the results.
