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I was going to send this querry to Brent via email, but thought that like always his experience and knowledge would be enjoyed by others seeking wisdom as well, so I will post it here instead.

Brent I am well aware that Celtis occidentalis makes a fine subject for bonsai. With this being said I was wondering if you would care to compare and contrast it's close cousin Celtis laevigata with Celtis occidentalis.
 

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an interesting and timely question BONSAI_OUTLAW, as the first of my 100 Celtis laevigata (aka Sugarberry) seeds I sowed this year have sprouted 2 days ago.
 

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Been awhile so I thought I would "bump" this thread.

BTW Boondock, How are your seedlings doing?
 

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That is good to hear Boondock.

I have a bunch of Celtis occidentalis and have started a few air layers on Celtis laevigata. I like the texture of the leaves on the C. laevigata so much more than the leaves on the C. occidentalis. There is some information out there on the C. occidentalis and I would love to hear from someone who has created a bonsai from C. laevigata. I know that we can't be the only two people that are working with this specise.
 

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The leaves are one thing...

But who can resist the name "Sugarberry" :cool:

isn't that your nickname?
 
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lol...I have been called a lot of things, but I have never in my whole life been called that.
 

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Could one of you post a macro of the leaf and stem of C. laevigata aka Sugarberry? I haven't grown them except that I got some seeds from a fellow in NH who thought they were Celtis but couldn't get a positive species ID from anyone. From my books, I thought it was Sugarberry, but I'm still not sure. It is very different from C. occidentalis. The Sugarberry, if that's what it is, flowered and fruited in about 3 years. My C. occidentalis haven't flowered yet, and some of them must be close to 15 years old. The small black berries on these seedlings look like hackberries to me. Can you think of any other confirming characteristics?

In any case my 'Sugarberry' is very interesting even though it is quite different. It grows very fast and is practically indestrucible. You can chop it nearly to the ground and it will resprout. It produces rampant growth even when incredibly rootbound. Leaf and internode size seem to be the big problem, they are going to be a bear to reduce. The flowers and fruit are a definite plus.

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I purchased Celtis laevigata seed from a reputable business. The seed is round, about 3mm, surface is slightly dimpled, light tan in color, and has a thick outer shell, cracking neatly in half upon germination.
 
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Yes, I see your point. Mine have serrated margins. I wonder if there are local variations or subspecies? I bought mine from a company in Pennsylvania (I think)

In the describtion on the link you provided, says this about the leaves...
from the link... Leaf margins may be slightly serrate or entire.
 
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hmmm, looks like the one we call pissin elm/ hackberry down here.
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Wow, if i didnt know any better i would swear those pics are of Celtis Africana... The leaves are identical. We call em stinkwood over here.
 

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AndyWilson, I did some searching for Celtis Africana, found this picture and yes, you're right, it resembles Celtis laevigata.

Pissin Elm and Stinkwood, I like Sugarberry better.
 
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