Request tree identification

[Deep Sea Diver]

Hello One and All!
This I my first special request for an identification. Please help if you can.

Situation: Small cluster dug up on friends ye olde farmstead.

Tree was positioned between a big flowering quince and a flowering plum tree with bronze leaves. Apple orchard and a Pear tree within stones throw. Also assorted rhodies, hazelnut, azalea, chokecherry and red flowering current near by.


Quick bend event with a piece of discarded wire revels it’s stiff, yet doable on multi year wood. Looks like maybe Roseaceae like ‘scars‘ low on trunk.



Mystery tree...! Wait until flower?

Anyways thanks for any ideas. Hate to ask, yet I know there are some ID Jedi’s out there!
Cheers
DSD sends

 

[Japonicus]

could it be a forsythia? I know their stem is pithy on the inside.
The trunk just has that forsythia look to it. Flower next year, if so, has already past.

 

[misfit11]

I agree with Rosaceae Family. Could be a plum. If you could post a clear picture of one of the leaves it might help. The veination might add a clue.

 

[penumbra]

could it be a forsythia? I know their stem is pithy on the inside.
The trunk just has that forsythia look to it. Flower next year, if so, has already past.

Looking at the leaves my first thought was also forsythia.

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

So far the leaves are very small, perhaps 1/2, slight serrations on the margins

 

[Forsoothe!]

Leaves not pointy enough for Forsythia, but if stems are hollow...

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Not so you’d notice.
Here’s a photo of both the branch cross section as well as one of a root.




btw I neglected to mention that there was a traveling horizontal root connecting this clump to another nearby.

 

[penumbra]

Forsythia leaves. I forgot the variety as it was planted many years ago but it has very pronounced lighter veins in sun. Not so much on this one in the shade. It is in the Olive family.

 

[Japonicus]

Leaves not pointy enough for Forsythia, but if stems are hollow...

I thought same but unaware of different varieties habits so I went for the trunk.
I snagged this sprig of forsythia on our evening walk.

hollow, and some leaves more rounded than others, mostly sharp though, mostly serrated.
I agree

Not so you’d notice.
Here’s a photo of both the branch cross section as well as one of a root.

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btw I neglected to mention that there was a traveling horizontal root connecting this clump to another nearby.

yeh other than that surface root the characteristics for forsythia not there. Sorry can't help.

 

[penumbra]

Forsythia leaves. I forgot the variety as it was planted many years ago but it has very pronounced lighter veins in sun. Not so much on this one in the shade. It is in the Olive family.
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Put a branch in a glass of water. It is forsythia and will start rooting in a week. Leaves I pictured are nearly identical in size and shape.

 

[Forsoothe!]

This is a job for @Leo in N E Illinois

 

[Forsoothe!]

Virginia Tech ID Sheet shows Forsythia buds opposite, not alternate.

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Thanks for your efforts! It’s a sticky wicket, that’s for sure!
Regards
DSD sends

 

[penumbra]

Virginia Tech ID Sheet shows Forsythia buds opposite, not alternate.

I can't actually tell from picture in original post, but indeed forsythia have opposite leaves, that much is certain.

 

[rodeolthr]

It certainly could be flowering quince. I have them popping up on an undeveloped lot, that the birds must have planted. I'm sure that you've seen the cotton candy pink ones that are currently in bloom. I "believe" that it's the species? Uncertain though

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Here’s a photo of the big Quince nearest. Beautiful, yet huge flowers. Sadly the leaves seem much different then the clump....
...yet the flowers were huge 1.5” across.

 

[Forsoothe!]

Not like Chinese or American Quince. Everyone can use the VTD database to search for suspects. Most likely to be a native to western Washington, about which us Easterners know nothing.

 

[StarGazer]

looks a bit like Japanese quince, chaenomeles superba, a hybrid of chaenomeles japonica and chaenomeles speciosa

 

[Shibui]

My first reaction was also Japanese flowering quince but close up of leaves does not look quite right.
There is some resemblance to pussy willow which comes up here as weeds but I'm not confident of that either.

 

[Potawatomi13]

I thought same but unaware of different varieties habits so I went for the trunk.
I snagged this sprig of forsythia on our evening walk.
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hollow, and some leaves more rounded than others, mostly sharp though, mostly serrated.
I agree

yeh other than that surface root the characteristics for forsythia not there. Sorry can't help.

Plant in question has non opposing leaves. Forsythia does. Leaves not so round on end like Quince either. Maybe no help, just points.