Ryceman3's 6yr JBP Contest Entry

[Ryceman3]

Some of the JBP from this comp have been decandled over the last week or so. I have quite a bit on so no wiring/branch placement this time which has them looking a little bit disheveled… but hopefully I can resolve that this autumn. Still a few more to do… always busy!
In no particular order…

 

[sorceror]

This is a fantastic and detailed thread, which has produced superb Shohin JBP.

 

[Ryceman3]

I’ve started the Autumn work on my pines, so here are 3 trees sown from this batch of seed that I worked on over the last few days. More to come, I’ll post updates as I get to them.

 

[phongtien1996]

I’ve started the Autumn work on my pines, so here are 3 trees sown from this batch of seed that I worked on over the last few days. More to come, I’ll post updates as I get to them.

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Great trees In just 7 years, wow

 

[Ryceman3]

Here is an update on another one after a bit of a clean up today.
Slowly getting through them ...

 

[Ryceman3]

Gave the “winner” its Autumn tidy up this morning.
Not sure the photo/lighting does the best job of highlighting the definition that is developing but I’m happy with how things are going.

 

[yashu]

Holy crap! Spectacular results!!!

 

[dallin_hubb]

Gave the “winner” its Autumn tidy up this morning.
Not sure the photo/lighting does the best job of highlighting the definition that is developing but I’m happy with how things are going.

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Wow I can't believe the results that experienced people like you can achieve in such a short time (in bonsai terms at least haha)!!!

 

[Ryceman3]

Another one ... slowly getting through them between work/life commitments. It takes longer every year!

 

[Martinm505]

UPDATE :
I have had reasonable success with my JBP seeds, enough to play with now and I have planted a few extras as insurance if my experiments don't go according to plan. I think at the moment I have around 50 seedlings ... so today I did a bit of work on some of them.
I was keen to try stem cutting but when I pulled a few seedlings getting ready to chop them right off, I found they had some reasonable roots within an inch or so of the foliage, so for these ones I thought I would just do some regular root pruningand see how that goes. They are all labelled so I will be able to see how they compare with one another.
Here's some shots of the root cutting and how I went about it :
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I also did some stem cutting too. Hopefully these seedlings aren't too mature for the process, Ideally I would have done this 2 weeks ago or so but I was on vacation so they had to wait. My technique is essentially the same as most others, the main difference being that instead of using hormone powder by itself, I mix it with Clonex gel to make a paste and apply that to the end of the cutting. I use this paste with layering and I find it doesn't wash off so easily so I thought it was worth a shot here too. A few pics of the process below :
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When they were all potted up I put them under domes to keep in the humidity and hopefully increase the chances of success...
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All up I think I did around 24 stem cuttings and about the same of just root cuttings ... we'll see how they get on over the next few weeks.

What was that paste stuff you used on the cut stem? Hormone powder? Whats the name and cloned, what is that?

 

[Martinm505]

Al

UPDATE :
I have had reasonable success with my JBP seeds, enough to play with now and I have planted a few extras as insurance if my experiments don't go according to plan. I think at the moment I have around 50 seedlings ... so today I did a bit of work on some of them.
I was keen to try stem cutting but when I pulled a few seedlings getting ready to chop them right off, I found they had some reasonable roots within an inch or so of the foliage, so for these ones I thought I would just do some regular root pruningand see how that goes. They are all labelled so I will be able to see how they compare with one another.
Here's some shots of the root cutting and how I went about it :
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I also did some stem cutting too. Hopefully these seedlings aren't too mature for the process, Ideally I would have done this 2 weeks ago or so but I was on vacation so they had to wait. My technique is essentially the same as most others, the main difference being that instead of using hormone powder by itself, I mix it with Clonex gel to make a paste and apply that to the end of the cutting. I use this paste with layering and I find it doesn't wash off so easily so I thought it was worth a shot here too. A few pics of the process below :
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When they were all potted up I put them under domes to keep in the humidity and hopefully increase the chances of success...
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All up I think I did around 24 stem cuttings and about the same of just root cuttings ... we'll see how they get on over the next few weeks.

so I’m curious, do you cut the stem if it’s just too long. I have a black pine

UPDATE :
I have had reasonable success with my JBP seeds, enough to play with now and I have planted a few extras as insurance if my experiments don't go according to plan. I think at the moment I have around 50 seedlings ... so today I did a bit of work on some of them.
I was keen to try stem cutting but when I pulled a few seedlings getting ready to chop them right off, I found they had some reasonable roots within an inch or so of the foliage, so for these ones I thought I would just do some regular root pruningand see how that goes. They are all labelled so I will be able to see how they compare with one another.
Here's some shots of the root cutting and how I went about it :
View attachment 213575View attachment 213576

I also did some stem cutting too. Hopefully these seedlings aren't too mature for the process, Ideally I would have done this 2 weeks ago or so but I was on vacation so they had to wait. My technique is essentially the same as most others, the main difference being that instead of using hormone powder by itself, I mix it with Clonex gel to make a paste and apply that to the end of the cutting. I use this paste with layering and I find it doesn't wash off so easily so I thought it was worth a shot here too. A few pics of the process below :
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When they were all potted up I put them under domes to keep in the humidity and hopefully increase the chances of success...
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All up I think I did around 24 stem cuttings and about the same of just root cuttings ... we'll see how they get on over the next few weeks.

So I’m curious, do you cut the stem if it’s just too long? I have a black pin growing that is already 50mm long and it hasn’t even grown the pines yet.

 

[Wulfskaar]

Al

so I’m curious, do you cut the stem if it’s just too long. I have a black pine

So I’m curious, do you cut the stem if it’s just too long? I have a black pin growing that is already 50mm long and it hasn’t even grown the pines yet.

People sometimes do this to get lateral roots growing out from a single spot, rather than a taproot with roots growing out of it.

I did this successfully a couple years ago. Check this out...
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/black-pine-seedling-cuttings.24555/

 

[Ryceman3]

What was that paste stuff you used on the cut stem? Hormone powder? Whats the name and cloned, what is that?

The answer to your first question is in the quote you posted! The paste is a mix of hormone powder and Clonex rooting gel. I don't know if the brand Clonex is universal or only in Australia but I am sure there are equivalent products in other countries.

So I’m curious, do you cut the stem if it’s just too long? I have a black pin growing that is already 50mm long and it hasn’t even grown the pines yet.

You cut the stem to encourage roots to all grow from the same level on the stem (multiple roots should grow from the cut site) which gives the future tree a great start in terms of developing nebari. It also means that the roots begin closer to where the first branch will appear, which is particularly beneficial when growing shohin/smaller sized bonsai. You need to wait for the cotyledons to bloom out of the seed and the stem of the seedling will change colour (turn more reddish). These are signs that the timing to cut is about right. Stem cutting pine seedlings isn't a mandatory process in the development of pine bonsai, just one thing you can choose to do that might help you develop the kind of tree you are looking for.

 

[Martinm505]

universal

I’m a complete newbie. I had to google hormone powder because I would have no clue that there’s specific hormones for plants. I’m thinking testosterone or estrogen when you said hormone powder.

 

[minkes]

Al

so I’m curious, do you cut the stem if it’s just too long. I have a black pine

So I’m curious, do you cut the stem if it’s just too long? I have a black pin growing that is already 50mm long and it hasn’t even grown the pines yet.

If you have only few pine seeds growing I would say you should not to do stem cuttings to play on the safe side. Stem cutting is good technique, but you need to count with that there is not 100% success rate to make them root

 

[Martinm505]

If you have only few pine seeds growing I would say you should not to do stem cuttings to play on the safe side. Stem cutting is good technique, but you need to count with that there is not 100% success rate to make them root

Thanks. Yeah. As I only have little Amazon kits I’m planting like 3 seeds at a time.