amcoffeegirl
Masterpiece
I'm not trying to argue or fuss with you. I just don't like when folks blame the long term folks for not caring. I just don't feel that way.
TOO MANY FORUMS
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whfarro
Chumono
I don't consider it being rude to expect any individual (new or not) to do a minimal amount of investigation, research, or reading first. I have found the members here to be quite welcoming and unbelievably patient. Conversely it is disrespectful when you jump on a forum, ask questions without even doing a single search or reading a single thread, and when asked to simply update their profile or supply basic info, they ignore or disregard that ask.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
@fredman no offense....
But I think your screen was farktarting more than my posts!
Truth is.....its not Too many forums...
It's Too Many people are misunderstood on here.
It is the responsibility of the New Nut...to read some old stuff...and in doing so....find out who these folks are that they wish to befriend and seek assistance from!
I think 4-8 people understand Smoke....and half of them don't post here!
I think if you try to understand Vance....you may as well skip the paddle and the canoe...and just swim with your mouth open up shit creek.
Can't get through a Sawgrass post.....good luck understanding him!
Note....Godzilla. Just note it....and it all fits!
I'm gonna go Fred Bumping.
Sorce
But I think your screen was farktarting more than my posts!
Truth is.....its not Too many forums...
It's Too Many people are misunderstood on here.
It is the responsibility of the New Nut...to read some old stuff...and in doing so....find out who these folks are that they wish to befriend and seek assistance from!
I think 4-8 people understand Smoke....and half of them don't post here!
I think if you try to understand Vance....you may as well skip the paddle and the canoe...and just swim with your mouth open up shit creek.
Can't get through a Sawgrass post.....good luck understanding him!
Note....Godzilla. Just note it....and it all fits!
I'm gonna go Fred Bumping.
Sorce
fredman
Masterpiece
Agree and disagree. Not all newbies/noobs are used to this forum's etiquette, but they should do a minimal amount of investigation, research, or reading first. If not they should not be called out for it, but guided into it. With that attitude they will soon see the hang of things and everybody gains from it.....easy really !
Every now and again the difficult newbie/noob will arrive. They will be sorted out quickly because they deserve it, but as it is, a lot of them don't deserve what they get....!
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
I bumped a few three .....feel good.....
Family orientated threads.....ones that help us understand each other......
Sorce
whfarro
Chumono
As Colin pointed out in this case the OP's first thread "Been Readin'"many overatures were made to reach out, welcome, guide and assist. He was guided to update profile and other "tips". As NY pointed out in reality he "didn't read S". And 9 months later, still nothing.
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
Santa.
WoW a milestone for me Sorce..I actually understood your whole post...everything and all
I know the feeling...
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Incorrect. We have no responsibility to develop your skills. That's on you.
attaboy...now you're making sense.
fredman
Masterpiece
Plz see my avatar. I'm trying my best. Plz allow me some incorrections as English isn't my first language. Not always easy to travel in a straight line (language wise) for me. Languagistically speaking...when I travel from New York to Washington, I sometimes go via Houston....
IOW I sometimes get a little confockulated...that's when you all will have to do your part, and read between the lines...!!!
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fredman
Masterpiece
True but still none of any of us business how he feels and navigates himself into here. Its his business and his alone....! If he doesn't respond to changing his profile, then ignore his question as it cant be answered. Leave it there. Why go and search his profile to try and find something behind something or under something when that something might be nothing. Its not like he has a bulge on his back that might be a suicide vest or something. JUST LET HIM BE and move on to the next thread.
That is exactly what I mean by the scouts are out and taking chunks until a retaliation occurs. Just let it be...simple as that. Small things like that is what eventually builds a harmonious vibe (for lack of a better word) here....
whfarro
Chumono
Very good point.True but still none of any of us business how he feels and navigates himself into here. Its his business and his alone....! If he doesn't respond to changing his profile, then ignore his question as it cant be answered. Leave it there. Why go and search his profile to try and find something behind something or under something when that something might be nothing. Its not like he has a bulge on his back that might be a suicide vest or something. JUST LET HIM BE and move on to the next thread.
That is exactly what I mean by the scouts are out and taking chunks until a retaliation occurs. Just let it be...simple as that. Small things like that is what eventually builds a harmonious vibe (for lack of a better word) here....
Cypress187
Masterpiece
Guys, there is something wrong with this threat, it should be in the feedback and suggestions category i think.
jomawa
Shohin
Hack a little here, throw some dirt on him, stab him a few times (ooops, did I say that)? Maybe should shore him up a little?
jomawa
Shohin
fredman
Masterpiece
It started off in the right section, but with so many threads here it deteriorated into something that there really isn't a section for. Guess the OP didn't foresee that this would happen to his thread....
Now if we had a moderator here that would've been sorted quickly...mind you it wouldn't have been necessary for me to throw my toys out my cot in the first place....
Sorce you got a friend....
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jomawa
Shohin
My being only a month old bnut, I beg to differ. There's a lot of forums. But if one takes but a little time, on the home page, follow the "tabs" (like on other internet sites) to the forums, beginners (me anyway) can't help but see a well organized group of topics and subtopics. And since I came here with some maple starts, funny thing, that's what I looked at first. THE TEA HOUSE??? "What's tea gotta do with bonsai? I don't even drink tea and if I did I couldn't get my pinkie finger to stay straight, so I wouldn't be allowed in a tea house". (Lo and behold if I park my cursor over the tea house, hey I might want to read some of that).
Maybe ya just need ta get rid of that dinky screen thingy and use a real compooter. And being a beginner, ya might just wanna give yourself a bit more time to familiarize yourself with bnut forums before jumping in and having to eat crow. "JMHO"
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Fredman...sorry but I still disagree... You need more experience on forums...when you have that you will see that your noob first approach is nonsense, and moreover, detrimental to the health of the community
You basically said in one of your posts that this is the only bonsai community online worth anything...why is that??? not the 8500 members in which 98% have never posted a word...but, because it is the only one with a tiny handful of knowledgable people still hanging on...
The more serious hobbyists come here to share and discuss the work they have done, are doing, plan to do, with other members of experience(not noobs)...this is the real content and what we can all learn from...without it, this community is useless
A select few of the more serious hobbyists and a few of the middle of the road folks answer noob questions because they enjoy it...more power to them...no doubt, we need those folks in the community
Noobs truly don't matter in the bigger picture...they are going to come and go in spite of anything you/we do...as I said, there's no need to be rude, and there will always be someone willing to answer questions....but there is certainly no reason to cater to them at all...99% don't stick around anyhow. Therefore they should be educated as part of the joining process in being a good community member before being allowed to join.
Why do we need to work to keep the experienced members participating??
On every forum, I have been a part of...the number one reason the most knowledgable members leave is because of INTERNET MASTERS questioning/arguing with them...those noobs who have read it all, or not, but done nothing...have only sticks in pots to back up their rhetoric and VAST knowledge of bonsai...
The second most common reason is NOISE...useless and unnecessary posting...those that feel they need to post in every thread because they can't do bonsai, realize it, but still need to have their "opinion" heard...so they try to be funny, or stupid, or ironic, whatever...its just wasted bandwidth and more trash to filter through in order to get to the content for most. There are several prime examples of this currently thriving in this community...nothing to add but noise!!
At some point, all the best forums members have said screw it...its not worth it to share on a public forum (and put up with the crap that is so easily justified away because it is a "public forum")...let me just start blogging or just keep to myself. Professionals will rarely do anything more than occasionally add something from the periphery....there is very little to gain for them from participating in a public forum. Anyone that has been here more than a few years can tell you that this has happened again and again here and on others forums.
I still strongly believe that if you want to maintain a healthy forum...it is the advanced/experienced person that is the rare bird and the one that needs to be looked after... otherwise what do you have??????
You basically said in one of your posts that this is the only bonsai community online worth anything...why is that??? not the 8500 members in which 98% have never posted a word...but, because it is the only one with a tiny handful of knowledgable people still hanging on...
The more serious hobbyists come here to share and discuss the work they have done, are doing, plan to do, with other members of experience(not noobs)...this is the real content and what we can all learn from...without it, this community is useless
A select few of the more serious hobbyists and a few of the middle of the road folks answer noob questions because they enjoy it...more power to them...no doubt, we need those folks in the community
Noobs truly don't matter in the bigger picture...they are going to come and go in spite of anything you/we do...as I said, there's no need to be rude, and there will always be someone willing to answer questions....but there is certainly no reason to cater to them at all...99% don't stick around anyhow. Therefore they should be educated as part of the joining process in being a good community member before being allowed to join.
Why do we need to work to keep the experienced members participating??
On every forum, I have been a part of...the number one reason the most knowledgable members leave is because of INTERNET MASTERS questioning/arguing with them...those noobs who have read it all, or not, but done nothing...have only sticks in pots to back up their rhetoric and VAST knowledge of bonsai...
The second most common reason is NOISE...useless and unnecessary posting...those that feel they need to post in every thread because they can't do bonsai, realize it, but still need to have their "opinion" heard...so they try to be funny, or stupid, or ironic, whatever...its just wasted bandwidth and more trash to filter through in order to get to the content for most. There are several prime examples of this currently thriving in this community...nothing to add but noise!!
At some point, all the best forums members have said screw it...its not worth it to share on a public forum (and put up with the crap that is so easily justified away because it is a "public forum")...let me just start blogging or just keep to myself. Professionals will rarely do anything more than occasionally add something from the periphery....there is very little to gain for them from participating in a public forum. Anyone that has been here more than a few years can tell you that this has happened again and again here and on others forums.
I still strongly believe that if you want to maintain a healthy forum...it is the advanced/experienced person that is the rare bird and the one that needs to be looked after... otherwise what do you have??????
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Being nice to noobs here isn't about HERE.
It's about the future of Bonsai!
I've learned a lot from noobs...and their questions....and the answers....
I'm on the Welcoming Comittee Fred....
You can be Too!
We can make it better!
It doesn't take much!
Sorce
It's about the future of Bonsai!
I've learned a lot from noobs...and their questions....and the answers....
I'm on the Welcoming Comittee Fred....
You can be Too!
We can make it better!
It doesn't take much!
Sorce
