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Brent
Mame
Dwight
Chumono
Thank you Brent !!!!!!!! One of my bad habits is drooling over stuff I can't have so I really appreciate the photos. I also appreciate the heads up as to your plans on the better stock and am looking forward to seeing it. Hmmmmmm..... my wife loves the wine country so maybe in 2009........
Tom , I had this cool reply all typed out to your post and the damn power went off for an hour !! Lost the whole thing.
I do want to relate a story about how misleading some web sites are. I think most of you are at least aware of Northwest Bonsai. Well their web site is sort of a turn off. Very seldom updated and the trees are mostlt stickls in pots. Very missleading as the locals there know this as a first rate nursery. Dear Grouper and I were talking about this very subject a couple years ago and he mentioned NWB and stated he had obtained some nice trees there. He offered to pick up a shimp for me next time he was there. Well he did and I loved the pics he sent so he sent the tree. Great medium sized tree for a great price. It's my favorite. The point to this story is that if it had just been me shopping the web I never would haven given NWB another look.
Soooooo , it seems this forum and other forumns are a great place for dealers to let us know what they REALLY have. Not big adds or tons of pictures but simply saying " hay we got a shipment of real nice medium sized white pines so drop us a line " then a couple of pictures. The koi guys are constantly updating their sites so they usually just post a note and link but I guarrenty ( sp ) I can find all the koi I can afford now at resonable prices without leaving this chair. Trees ????? No way cause they are either way overpriced ( who else said this ) or NOT ON THE SITES.
Again Brent , thanks. Boy , I'm gettin excited now.
Tom , I had this cool reply all typed out to your post and the damn power went off for an hour !! Lost the whole thing.
I do want to relate a story about how misleading some web sites are. I think most of you are at least aware of Northwest Bonsai. Well their web site is sort of a turn off. Very seldom updated and the trees are mostlt stickls in pots. Very missleading as the locals there know this as a first rate nursery. Dear Grouper and I were talking about this very subject a couple years ago and he mentioned NWB and stated he had obtained some nice trees there. He offered to pick up a shimp for me next time he was there. Well he did and I loved the pics he sent so he sent the tree. Great medium sized tree for a great price. It's my favorite. The point to this story is that if it had just been me shopping the web I never would haven given NWB another look.
Soooooo , it seems this forum and other forumns are a great place for dealers to let us know what they REALLY have. Not big adds or tons of pictures but simply saying " hay we got a shipment of real nice medium sized white pines so drop us a line " then a couple of pictures. The koi guys are constantly updating their sites so they usually just post a note and link but I guarrenty ( sp ) I can find all the koi I can afford now at resonable prices without leaving this chair. Trees ????? No way cause they are either way overpriced ( who else said this ) or NOT ON THE SITES.
Again Brent , thanks. Boy , I'm gettin excited now.
rlist
Shohin
darrellw
Mame
Hi Brent,
Thanks for posting those. Now I just have to convince my wife that we should drive next time we visit California!
-Darrell
Thanks for posting those. Now I just have to convince my wife that we should drive next time we visit California!
-Darrell
LOL...story of my life, I can relate!
As you know and as Brent as plainly stated. Koi ain't Bonsai
If you your patient then you won't have to leave your chair. Whether you grow it yourself or import there are some sort of time factors involved and quanity issues. I personally would be more wary of material that there was limitless quantities of. Than a dealer that was picking the best and only selling when it was ready. That dealer is looking out for your best interest and theirs.No tree before its time!
Rick Moquin
Omono
me 
I can only drool. Anybody got a napkin
Good looking stock Brent! and great integrity. I believe I said that some place else.
I can only drool. Anybody got a napkin Good looking stock Brent! and great integrity. I believe I said that some place else.
Dwight
Chumono
Rich , maybe I shouldn't admit this here but every extra dime I have is tied up in koi right now. Anyway , after killing the only tree I've bought from Brent my confidence is way down. Maybe next year.
Rick , I'm all out of napkins ( the grandaughter you know ) but I do have a roll of paper towells.
Tom , yea , I do realize that the two businesses/hobbies are VERY different and require different stratagies. I'm still pissed off that bonsai is so much harder to participate in than koi. Guess its mostly where I live.
Rick , I'm all out of napkins ( the grandaughter you know ) but I do have a roll of paper towells.
Tom , yea , I do realize that the two businesses/hobbies are VERY different and require different stratagies. I'm still pissed off that bonsai is so much harder to participate in than koi. Guess its mostly where I live.
rlist
Shohin
So... A lot of saber rattling and rabble rousing for nothing? To me this looks like a good example of why some may not take the time to post each and every item online - it is obviously not profitable when those making the stink about not seeing the product won't buy it anway (and those that do actually buy trees find a way to get them without making a stink).
Are you pissed off because you have made the decision to only partially participate in bonsai and then run amok through the forums making noise or are you pissed off that you don't have somebody next door to hold your hand and tell you everything to do? Ask Rick what it's like to gather info online and then apply it to trees in the yard. Hell, if Rick can do it, anybody can!
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Dwight
Chumono
Well exccuse the hell outa me !!! We had a nice discussion going here and then someone has to get pissed off.
Rich , I really fail to see that it's anyones ( especially yours ) business what I buy and who I buy from. As for being pissed off , this had nothing to do with anyone here. As I stated it's just a result of location. Yes I'd love to have a teacher but thats outa the question so I'll stay pissed off and keep tryin.
Now who pissed in your coffee ?
Rich , I really fail to see that it's anyones ( especially yours ) business what I buy and who I buy from. As for being pissed off , this had nothing to do with anyone here. As I stated it's just a result of location. Yes I'd love to have a teacher but thats outa the question so I'll stay pissed off and keep tryin.
Now who pissed in your coffee ?
rlist
Shohin
OK. You start here by stating you are upset about not being able to find nice material and you are looking for professional quality material in the under $500 price range.
Here you call out Brent and ask why it's too much trouble for him to post trees that idiots like you might want to buy.
Why should you have to point out being nice? Are you not normally?
Rick? Irene? John? Dale? Chris? Will? Beuler? Anyone? Anyone?
Call Boon.
Still looking for material...
And, here comes Brent! Stops what he is doing, unfreezes his fingers, snaps a few photos and posts them for you to see. But, after all that, what, you aren't going to buy anything?
So, does this mean that you are looking for high quality stuff for a discounted price? And how do you really know that trees are over priced? Look at the trees on OB right now - since they have been there since February I would bet they are underpriced...
So, as I said, after all that moaning about how nobody takes the time to post trees for you to shop from, and then actually Brent does, you admit that you aren't going to buy anything anyway. Just bored out there in Texas and want to look at trees I guess.
I'm not pissed off. On the contrary, I am actually in a pretty good mood.
Hey, I didn't start the conversation nor step into any business that wasn't made public by you. I am just simply questioning your comments as you progressed from being upset about not being able to find nice material, to calling out vendors for not posting currently available stock, and once trees were posted to stating that you might buy something in '09. If you would have simply come out and stated your motives from the beginning, I wouldn't have said a thing and would have actually supported it - HEY, THIS IS A BONSAI SITE, HOW COME NOBODY IS POSTING ANY NEW TREES TO LOOK AT???
Nobody, but sure sounds like you think yours was watered...
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Dwight
Chumono
Well now, this has been quite a thread. Entertaining to say the least. So what have we learned from this exercise in whatever we choose to call this?
Here's what I learned or was reinforced (in no particular order):
1) Brent has some out of this world stuff. Thanks for the photos. I was just there a little while ago and I have no idea where these came from. Hell, I don't even recognize the area in the photo (or is it the uncovered area in the shade house?).
2) It must be winter. I do notice the posts on forums tend to turn... um.... winter like around this time of year.
3) You (that is a general you) will never be handed good stock. You have to look for it. The search may get easier as the years pass us by thanks to the net, forms like this and of course the fine people who are serious about devoting time to grow such stock. If you think it is tough finding good stock now imagine for a minute what it was like in the 80's. Or the 60's.
4) I hope not to irritate Rich.
Here's what I learned or was reinforced (in no particular order):
1) Brent has some out of this world stuff. Thanks for the photos. I was just there a little while ago and I have no idea where these came from. Hell, I don't even recognize the area in the photo (or is it the uncovered area in the shade house?).
2) It must be winter. I do notice the posts on forums tend to turn... um.... winter like around this time of year.
3) You (that is a general you) will never be handed good stock. You have to look for it. The search may get easier as the years pass us by thanks to the net, forms like this and of course the fine people who are serious about devoting time to grow such stock. If you think it is tough finding good stock now imagine for a minute what it was like in the 80's. Or the 60's.
4) I hope not to irritate Rich.
Brent
Mame
Graydon
This is the area south of the greenhouse where the big maples are. You probably didn't spend much time there. But it's also hard to see the forest for the trees, with all the branches and foliage, you don't really appreciate the wonderful trunks. One of my favorite times to browse the trees is after a hard pruning like this. It's like I haven't seen these trees for five years, and now they are more beautiful than ever. I took a lot more pictures of individual trees and hope to get them on the blog soon. I haven't had much time to write or photograph with all the great working weather, but rain is supposed to come back next week, so it will be time to do indoor work again.
I was thinking, I bet a lot of people are thinking "what the hell is he going on about, those trees don't even have any branches!" But that's how it is with deciduous material, branches don't come until the end of the process, except as sacrifices for pumping up the trunks. Think about it, a lot of these trees are twenty years old and I will only start growing final branches next year.
Brent
This is the area south of the greenhouse where the big maples are. You probably didn't spend much time there. But it's also hard to see the forest for the trees, with all the branches and foliage, you don't really appreciate the wonderful trunks. One of my favorite times to browse the trees is after a hard pruning like this. It's like I haven't seen these trees for five years, and now they are more beautiful than ever. I took a lot more pictures of individual trees and hope to get them on the blog soon. I haven't had much time to write or photograph with all the great working weather, but rain is supposed to come back next week, so it will be time to do indoor work again.
I was thinking, I bet a lot of people are thinking "what the hell is he going on about, those trees don't even have any branches!" But that's how it is with deciduous material, branches don't come until the end of the process, except as sacrifices for pumping up the trunks. Think about it, a lot of these trees are twenty years old and I will only start growing final branches next year.
Brent
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I would wager that you drive by more good collectible stock than you could ever handle every day on your way to work. I would also venture that there is quality stock to buy within two hours of you in any direction.
Nothing worthwhile will ever be handed to you, such is life, do what the rest of us do, research, look, spend long hours searching. There are on-line resources, some excellent, some not so good, but on-line is not the only source for quality material by any means.
I live in Michigan and I do bonsai, I have access to species that those in California or the other place you mentioned do not have and the same goes for them and the species native to their area.
Education starts with you, instead of complaining on a forum, email a nursery, talk to the owner, listen and learn.
Not long ago I was in need of 25 pieces of quality stock for a headliner workshop, I contacted numerous people, but Brent made the biggest impression. Why? Because he was honest, he told me that he did not have that number of quality pieces at the time and suggested other places. I never bought a single tree from him, but he has earned my loyalty without making a sale.
Another nursery, quite well known, was very slow in returning calls and/or emails, I will never inquire with them again. I made six inquires, bought from one place that impressed me on three separate occasions now, each time 25 trees, filed away two for future business and will never contact the other three again.
I was in need of a cascade pot and contacted Tom Brown of Shady Side on one I seen on his site, the transaction was smooth, packaging perfect, and I will never hesitate to do business with him again.
You see, you must make your own decisions, do your own research, do your own work, don't expect everything to be done for you.
Will
Nothing worthwhile will ever be handed to you, such is life, do what the rest of us do, research, look, spend long hours searching. There are on-line resources, some excellent, some not so good, but on-line is not the only source for quality material by any means.
I live in Michigan and I do bonsai, I have access to species that those in California or the other place you mentioned do not have and the same goes for them and the species native to their area.
Education starts with you, instead of complaining on a forum, email a nursery, talk to the owner, listen and learn.
Not long ago I was in need of 25 pieces of quality stock for a headliner workshop, I contacted numerous people, but Brent made the biggest impression. Why? Because he was honest, he told me that he did not have that number of quality pieces at the time and suggested other places. I never bought a single tree from him, but he has earned my loyalty without making a sale.
Another nursery, quite well known, was very slow in returning calls and/or emails, I will never inquire with them again. I made six inquires, bought from one place that impressed me on three separate occasions now, each time 25 trees, filed away two for future business and will never contact the other three again.
I was in need of a cascade pot and contacted Tom Brown of Shady Side on one I seen on his site, the transaction was smooth, packaging perfect, and I will never hesitate to do business with him again.
You see, you must make your own decisions, do your own research, do your own work, don't expect everything to be done for you.
Will
7snakeheads
Seed
Dwight, if you look at our website http://www.oregonbonsai.com
You will find all the material you are asking about is what we offer. Very good collected trees in the med. size for well under $500.00 Then look at the field grown stuff..... dirt cheap!!! This won't last though since I am going to work on every tree in the field grown section this spring and raise the prices..... The thread here on the Nut is designated for individuals to sell trees not business'. Tom, Dale, Brent or OB would be out of line to post there unless it was our personal trees. Now I see Greg has added a special section for nurseries like the above mentioned. OB will be there soon.
Rich is right. This year alone there have been several hundered 400+ trees collected. There are a group of folks from around the world who show up personally to buy BEFORE the trees are even potted up!
I will be updating the site soon, as of now I am planning for a child to enter our lives in 4-5 weeks and have been consumed!! But, my goal is to have it updated before the little one arrives. I will only ship small yamadori so I will add a page for pick up only trees. These are large world class trees that can't be bought anywhere else, but they also boast a hefty price tag.
What I put on the web is a small fraction of what actually is collected. The site has been a huge sucess for the fact that it brings out people from the midwest and east coast to personally buy trees. I like this better than shipping trees, lol!!
Ed, you hit the nail on the head. It isn't a matter of waving a wand and the picture jumps from the camera to the web. There is a fair amount of work involved. Yes, good trees are going to be expensive to some and to others $6000.00 for a tree is no big deal! Yes, people spend this kind of money on a single tree. Pictures do not do trees justice as we all know......
Thanks, Jason
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A tip from someone that has three of them Jason...there will be plenty of time at 2AM to up date the site. As you give a feeding. Rock the wee one, which will improve your one finger peck style. Yes, even time to update when you (I disliked this part) change the special presents left just for you.
Ahhhh the joys of parenthood
rlist
Shohin
Wow, those are some pretty impressive skills to update the site while squinting and gagging...
