Yamadori arborvitae

[rockm]

Splitting hair with "urbandori," "Yardadori," "Yamadori" is not worth the effort.

One word is great, thanks. "Yamadori" has become the longer-lasting term among all of them indicating "collected tree." In the end, what difference does it make if a tree was collected from a mountain or a yard. I've seen some "urbandori" that are vastly superior to ponderosa collected at 10000 feet in the rockies.

"Urbandori" and "yardadori" are backhanded terms indicating they're not in the same class as "real" yamadori.

 

[Cypress187]

Didn't even knew this was possible man, nice backbudding man.

 

[M. Frary]

And then there's the whole findingdori thing.

 

[jcrossett]

And then there's the whole findingdori thing.

Lmfao.

 

[Tentakelaertje]

I'll be interested in the development of this one. I got one myself too, which looks like yours with the middle cut out. Gonna get some real nice ideas from your thread.

 

[jcrossett]

I need to study grafting a new thing for me to do.

 

[Jester217300]

I need to study grafting

http://www.bonsainut.com/threads/grafting-technique.22136/

I grafted 5 trees this year. 2 spruce and 3 juniper. The grafts all still alive... 1 spruce is iffy, the other spruce is so-so, and the 3 junipers look pretty strong. Best way to learn is to get out there and try it Succeed or fail, you'll still be better off than you were before you tried.

 

[jcrossett]

Didn't even knew this was possible man, nice backbudding man.

As long as these have energy going though the branch the will backbud on old wood but you have to watch for die back. Left 3-4 clusters at the tops and end up with 2 at the end of the growth season.

 

[Paradox]

Of couse you can have yard or garden grown trees that are better than a wild grown tree.

Unless I misunderstand the term or perhaps it is the bonsai community that has put an incorrect connotation to the word. "Yamadori" to me means of a wild origin, not of hoticultural origin.

If we are to follow the logic that it doesn't matter and for simplicity's sake, then perhaps we should do away with the term "mallsai" or any other word besides "bonsai" as well?

Bonsai is defined as "planted in a container" so under that definition, there is no real difference between a "mallsai" and a tree grown and trained for 20, 50, 100 or more years.

Interesting discussion though.

 

[jomawa]

Lmfao.

ditto

 

[rockm]

Of couse you can have yard or garden grown trees that are better than a wild grown tree.

Unless I misunderstand the term or perhaps it is the bonsai community that has put an incorrect connotation to the word. "Yamadori" to me means of a wild origin, not of hoticultural origin.

If we are to follow the logic that it doesn't matter and for simplicity's sake, then perhaps we should do away with the term "mallsai" or any other word besides "bonsai" as well?

Bonsai is defined as "planted in a container" so under that definition, there is no real difference between a "mallsai" and a tree grown and trained for 20, 50, 100 or more years.

Interesting discussion though.

Yamadori means literally "from the mountain."

If we're splitting hairs, I think collected trees in Japan are all called yamadori, even if they're from a flatland forest. The term as I understand it, includes all collected material. It is only Westerners who attempt to impose limits on what is and isn't "collected" material.

There is also an unspoken meaning to the word, as there is with many Japanese terms. It means material that suffused with wild character. That would include landscape material. Most of the "yamadori" plum bonsai in Japan, for instance, originated as garden trees, not in the mountains.

"Bonsai is defined as "planted in a container" so under that definition, there is no real difference between a "mallsai" and a tree grown and trained for 20, 50, 100 or more years."
That is a very narrow definition of bonsai. The definition I found isn't so very strict--"the art of growing ornamental, artificially dwarfed trees or shrubs." Including "art" gives it another 100 acres to play in.

 

[sorce]

Did I miss something? How did I drive him nuts?

Not you particularly!

http://www.bonsainut.com/threads/lets-shut-the-dori.18074/

Sorce

 

[mattspinniken]

If you are going to graft it graft Hinoki on. I like Arbs but if you have the option Hinoki has better foliage.

 

[jcrossett]

@sorce that thread was great reading. Reminded me of a political debate.

@mattspiniken wouldn't that defeat the purpose of saving the tree ? If I was going to do that why not just kill it Jin it carve it and add the hinoki to the dead wood. Or even for that case just turn it into the famous feomina ???

 

[rockm]

@sorce that thread was great reading. Reminded me of a political debate.

@mattspiniken wouldn't that defeat the purpose of saving the tree ? If I was going to do that why not just kill it Jin it carve it and add the hinoki to the dead wood. Or even for that case just turn it into the famous feomina ???

Not the same. You're just adding better foliage to a trunk, not making a tanuki.

This is done a lot with Cali. and rocky Mt. Junipers, as well as ponderosa pine and some other native North American species, which all have difficult foliage that may be difficult for bonsai.

Arborvitae, also called Eastern White Cedar, foliage can be managed. This species was pretty common as bonsai a while back, with collected trees from the New York/Canada Niagara escarpment used for raw material. If you do some research online, you can find some of the details on how to work its foliage. It will never have those well defined sharp silhouettes other pines and conifers can develop, but this species has a tough, rugged charm of its own.

This one is in the National Arboretum's collection. It was donated by the Toronto Bonsai Society. I think it belonged to Reiner Goebel who was a very active member of that club.

 

[mattspinniken]

wouldn't that defeat the purpose of saving the tree ? If I was going to do that why not just kill it Jin it carve it and add the hinoki to the dead wood. Or even for that case just turn it into the famous feomina ???

Because hinoki grafted on to your powerful trunk would make an awesome tree, but a Tanuki project would make a sort of lame sculpture thingy. I think you could make a nice tree grafting or not on this I just thought I would throw out the idea of Hinoki foliage instead of arb foliage.

 

[barrosinc]

And then there's the whole findingdori thing.

pure gold.

 

[jcrossett]

Because hinoki grafted on to your powerful trunk would make an awesome tree, but a Tanuki project would make a sort of lame sculpture thingy. I think you could make a nice tree grafting or not on this I just thought I would throw out the idea of Hinoki foliage instead of arb foliage.

Awesome tree sounds great only issue wife said "NO MORE TREES!!!". so anyone wanna mail me some cuttings soaking in water. That would be awesome.

 

[barrosinc]

Awesome tree sounds great only issue wife said "NO MORE TREES!!!". so anyone wanna mail me some cuttings soaking in water. That would be awesome.

I already do the:
wife: I told you no more trees!
me: It was a yamadori I neglected a couple of years ago.

 

[jcrossett]

@mattspiniken and @rockm I'm liking the idea.