abqjoe
Chumono
My Oak is one of the only tree's I have that actually doesn't complain about being out in the sun on a 100 degree day
Spends 5 hours a day exposed to full sun.
Spends 5 hours a day exposed to full sun.
Extreme Bonsai
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cmeg1
Imperial Masterpiece
Not really extreme where I am at but even now,I have to put a moistened white piece of towels on my bonsai soil to get through the day till I get home from work,which then I remove it.Spahgnum alone does not cut it for me.Roots stay cool though and love it as I only water once a day in spring.
ColinFraser
Masterpiece
To borrow a phrase, "I do not think that word means what you think it means"
abqjoe
Chumono
And it keeps climbing!
bonsaichile
Omono
You clearly don't understand the first thing about history of science. You cannot compare any of those things, basically because they respond to different epistles (Foucault) or scientific paradigms (Kuhn). In short, to say that scientific consensus today on climate change is comparable to the pre-scientific notion that the Earth was flat or at the center of the universe (note: PRE-scientific notions) is just a display of ignorance. Republican ignorance, I might add
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
According to you one has to be a Democrat to understand Bovine Scatology.
You very well may be right, one has to be a Democrat to understand the Brothers Grimm predictions of climate change. However can you tell me why it is "You Guys, that subscribers to Bovine Scatology International" who think that they have to resort to personal insults and destruction of character in an attempt to win an argument?
Our weather here has been becoming cooler for years. I don't argue that the climate may be changing but I despute that our activity is 100% responsible for it. No one is siting activity of the Sun or the inclination of the Earth in realtion to the Sun. All of which can cause climate change. So----Who caused the warm up during the age of Dinosaurs or the cool down during the several Ice ages----my ignorance? How about the warm up that ended the Ice Ages, and how about the warm up that ended the Ice Ball Earth that is one of the recent cause celebs of climate understanding? All of that stuff happened before Human activity could have an effect on anything????
You very well may be right, one has to be a Democrat to understand the Brothers Grimm predictions of climate change. However can you tell me why it is "You Guys, that subscribers to Bovine Scatology International" who think that they have to resort to personal insults and destruction of character in an attempt to win an argument?
Our weather here has been becoming cooler for years. I don't argue that the climate may be changing but I despute that our activity is 100% responsible for it. No one is siting activity of the Sun or the inclination of the Earth in realtion to the Sun. All of which can cause climate change. So----Who caused the warm up during the age of Dinosaurs or the cool down during the several Ice ages----my ignorance? How about the warm up that ended the Ice Ages, and how about the warm up that ended the Ice Ball Earth that is one of the recent cause celebs of climate understanding? All of that stuff happened before Human activity could have an effect on anything????
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BrianBay9
Masterpiece
At some point you have to believe experts in any given field, if for no other reason than we don't have the time or expertise to do all the experiments and observations ourselves. You can choose to ignore them if you wish but that won't change physics. In the end, the only thing we can try to moderate climate change is altering human activity.....or we do nothing and see what happens. Life on this planet will survive. Humans may not.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
It's not the planet's fault. We will likely kill ourselves off before the planet does, because we believe so many wrong headed things as fact and are willing to take them to the extreme to prove ourselves right.
Saddler
Chumono
I agree that insults have no place in a discussion/argument/conversation/etc. It really is detrimental to the point being made and the discussion as a whole.
And back to the topic at hand. Vance, I used to be with you on this topic, but enough reading made me change my mind. The beginning and end of the ice ages took tens of thousands of years. The dinosaur thing was an unstable biomass that isn't applicable today. Even if we are 50% responsible for the current climate trend, we are still FIFTY PERCENT responsible. We are currently in the quickest acceleration of global temperature in recorded history and I think the third quickest in earths history and we are on course to be number one. People much smarter then me and possibly you, have been able to figure out the heating and cooling of the earth over most of its history. What does denying we are responsible get us? If you are wrong, we could hit a cascade that could make life very uncomfortable for every one. If you are right, we have a cleaner, less polluted earth. Assuming responsibility is the right thing to do until we are proven wrong.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
So---- what difference to the discussion of bonsai does it make if I disagree with you about climate change, or are these things part and parcle of the pre-requisits for participation in bonsai in general and this site inparticular. On both elements, bonsai and this site, I have been around a lot longer than most of you smatter and more scientifically sophisticated members. It is funny to me how I can spend hours detailing a lot of things about bonsai, and share it here ungrudgingly and generate but few comments. Let me mention one little thing about the environment or politics and the wrath of the intellectuals comes down on me from people I seldom hear from like a Monsoon storm. None of you are going to change my mind about almost anything.
bonsaichile
Omono
I wasn't trying to insult. I was merely trying to point out the fact that it has been Republicans who have chosen to willfully ignore the science, only for political and economic reasons. By choosing to vilify science and scientists, they put us all at risk. And that is not only insulting, it is downright irresponsible, to say the least.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
It has always been the Democrats that have embraced almost anything that supports the destruction of the economy and way of life that has made America great, and accepted junk science that seems to support their point of view.
Velodog2
Chumono
If you put your ear up to the screen you can faintly hear a John Philip Sousa march ... played on a Victrola. Wa-wa!
So which "way of life" are you referring to, exactly? Slavery? Child labor? Oppression of immigrants? Genocide? Civil war? Destructive monopolies?
Or hard work, innovation (read: change), entrepreneurship, creating new industries where none had existed? Risk-taking, being on the cutting edge of technology? That's the sort of thing we support.
So which "way of life" are you referring to, exactly? Slavery? Child labor? Oppression of immigrants? Genocide? Civil war? Destructive monopolies?
Or hard work, innovation (read: change), entrepreneurship, creating new industries where none had existed? Risk-taking, being on the cutting edge of technology? That's the sort of thing we support.
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Saddler
Chumono
Only a fool argues with someone who knows what they are talking about and has shown it.
StoneCloud
Omono
Not trying to get too deep in this topic on climate change but I did want to share some things:
I believe the planet is going into a phase cooling phase. The numbers are all around us. It is almost mid June and it has been pretty cool in most of the world compared to how it typically has been in June (with the expected few exceptions). I am no scientist, but this is what I see.
Even in the last few years that I have lived here in FL I've noticed winter getting cooler every year here. Yes summers are hot but have you also noticed there has been a slight shift on our (created by humans) calendar? The seasons do not "start" and "end" as usual when you take a look at actual daily temps. The seasons have kind of shifted.
Even NASA has recorded and attests that the south pole for example has been getting colder...for years......
http://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...NG-six-years-Arctic-north-pole-climate-change
So all I know is the whole "global warming" propoganda are making so many people rich, who are laughing at the "peasants" who say "I'm doing everything I can to stop global warming"
A "movement" or catchy title does not make something real to me at least.....I believe what I see. And I've seen all over the world a general decline in temps.
Again I am not taking sides, but I really think that these things are important to think about when it comes to climate.
I believe the planet is going into a phase cooling phase. The numbers are all around us. It is almost mid June and it has been pretty cool in most of the world compared to how it typically has been in June (with the expected few exceptions). I am no scientist, but this is what I see.
Even in the last few years that I have lived here in FL I've noticed winter getting cooler every year here. Yes summers are hot but have you also noticed there has been a slight shift on our (created by humans) calendar? The seasons do not "start" and "end" as usual when you take a look at actual daily temps. The seasons have kind of shifted.
Even NASA has recorded and attests that the south pole for example has been getting colder...for years......
http://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...NG-six-years-Arctic-north-pole-climate-change
So all I know is the whole "global warming" propoganda are making so many people rich, who are laughing at the "peasants" who say "I'm doing everything I can to stop global warming"
A "movement" or catchy title does not make something real to me at least.....I believe what I see. And I've seen all over the world a general decline in temps.
Again I am not taking sides, but I really think that these things are important to think about when it comes to climate.
Gee, that must suck....
StoneCloud
Omono
I would just curl up inside my house for the whole week and hibernate.........I would water my bonsai standing inside my house with the house through an open window!!!!!!!
Or I would just move
I swear it feels that hot down here sometimes in the summer though!
Mellow Mullet
Masterpiece
I have to agree with Vance, first, what does this have to do with bonsai? Second, global warming is cyclic for the Earth, thoughout its existance, it has heated and cooled. Third, more carbon and it's compounds are released by the Earth itself than by man. Fourth, most of this global warming comes from wannabe scientists whoring themselves out to get government grants to study their new global threat. If they ever admitted that the evidence showed that there was no problem, guess what, no money.
Just to set the record straight the original intent of this thread was just to showcase different methods of dealing with extreme weather issues and your bonsai. The thread was hijacked by opposing sides of the climate debate. Just trying to get it back on track.
