Intelligent conversation of the Literati

[Tentakelaertje]

Have you thought about removing the lower two pads and then wiring the lowest of the 2 remaining pads in place of the one that is now the biggest one?
It would look the same as when you remove the small branch and the lowest pad, but compacter and with better taper and movement.
Then compact the upper pad too, in just the same way as you would when the small brach was removed.

Can't see it as good as you do with the tree in front of you, so I hope it's not too far off. Plz lemme know what you think about it!

 

[Rusty Davis]

I like the look of just the top pad compacted. The up and down of life

 

[ghues]

Re; your idea of removing the middle branch"..............how about wiring it towards (more horizontal) the back giving it more depth?

 

[Vance Wood]

Too often Literati bonsai are too two dimensional.

 

[Dorian Fourie]

Have you thought about removing the lower two pads and then wiring the lowest of the 2 remaining pads in place of the one that is now the biggest one?
It would look the same as when you remove the small branch and the lowest pad, but compacter and with better taper and movement.
Then compact the upper pad too, in just the same way as you would when the small brach was removed.

Can't see it as good as you do with the tree in front of you, so I hope it's not too far off. Plz lemme know what you think about it!

Hi

Am I correct is that what you are suggesting is removing the large pad (in the middle) and the lowest pad and then try and bring a much smaller pad (Just above the large middle pad) into its place. That would leave me with a very small pad at the top and a even smaller pad in place of the large pad. Am I correct?

 

[Dorian Fourie]

I like the look of just the top pad compacted. The up and down of life

Hi Rusty

Is this your thought? Maybe even put some more movement into it

 

[Dorian Fourie]

Re; your idea of removing the middle branch"..............how about wiring it towards (more horizontal) the back giving it more depth?

Too often Literati bonsai are too two dimensional.

Thanks so much for the advice. I do like it and definitely a great option instead of removing it.

Do you think this is then a viable option for the future if the pads are then developed more?

 

[Rusty Davis]

I do like the look of that!

 

[Dorian Fourie]

I do like the look of that!

I also like it but I am worried about the tree if is would survive having such a small pad.

MMMMMM.

 

[Vance Wood]

Hi Rusty

Is this your thought? Maybe even put some more movement into it

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This kind of reduction will either kill this tree or cause it to abandon the effort and send out a new leader somewhere lower on the trunk-----I think. What species of tree are we talking about here?

I would work with this image if it were mine. The image you propose, once done, if it does not kill the tree will look contrived and ultimately disappointing to put it kindly. You asked for input and I am sorry if my honesty is not what you may have wanted to hear.

 

[ghues]

Dorian,
Why rush it, you’ve got a basic structure which does have a few future design options so why not let it grow and live with it, study it and make you next step in the fall of 2018 or 19? G

 

[Dorian Fourie]

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This kind of reduction will either kill this tree or cause it to abandon the effort and send out a new leader somewhere lower on the trunk-----I think. What species of tree are we talking about here?

I would work with this image if it were mine. The image you propose, once done, if it does not kill the tree will look contrived and ultimately disappointing to put it kindly. You asked for input and I am sorry if my honesty is not what you may have wanted to hear.

Thanks so much Vance

I love honesty as it is the only way one can learn

This is a Celtis sinesis - Chinese Hackberry. They grow like weeds and I do know that they love to throw new shoots from all over. I am constantly on the look out for new buds along the trunk. But I have to agree that there is a possibility of weakening it if you remove too much.

 

[Dorian Fourie]

Dorian,
Why rush it, you’ve got a basic structure which does have a few future design options so why not let it grow and live with it, study it and make you next step in the fall of 2018 or 19? G

I think you are right Ghues. I shouldn't rush it. Another season or 3 can only improve it

Thanks

 

[Vance Wood]

Thanks so much Vance

I love honesty as it is the only way one can learn

This is a Celtis sinesis - Chinese Hackberry. They grow like weeds and I do know that they love to throw new shoots from all over. I am constantly on the look out for new buds along the trunk. But I have to agree that there is a possibility of weakening it if you remove too much.

Thank you for your honesty. Too often I tell people what I think and it's grab the doors there's a storm coming.

 

[Dorian Fourie]

Thank you for your honesty. Too often I tell people what I think and it's grab the doors there's a storm coming.

I do know that is a problem with loads of people. Everyone sees bonsai differently and by getting everyone’s view, it allows you to make an informed decision on how to proceed.

 

[Rusty Davis]

I do agree with @Vance Wood that it would be a bit contrived but I don't think that's always a bad thing. There are some literati that are far from natural but that I'm drawn to. As far as health I'm to new and never worked one of these. Maybe it would be possible to work on ramification of the top pad while reducing the lower one.

 

[Tentakelaertje]

Hi

Am I correct is that what you are suggesting is removing the large pad (in the middle) and the lowest pad and then try and bring a much smaller pad (Just above the large middle pad) into its place. That would leave me with a very small pad at the top and a even smaller pad in place of the large pad. Am I correct?

Yes. It will look like shit for the first bit of time after doing that, but as the then losest pad starts to grow it will look pretty good I think.
What you can do, too, is cut off ( from top to bottom) pad two and pad 4. That will look the same right after the styling as it would in a couple of months if you were to go with the other option I mentioned.

At least, if the tree can survive that and can thrive on that little foliage. Because please don't lose the tree. It is way too nice for that.

 

[Vance Wood]

That kind of sounds like instructions for kissing your own ass----

 

[Tentakelaertje]

That kind of sounds like instructions for kissing your own ass----

Kinda confused on where the cutting part comes in on kissing your own ass though Vance

 

[Vance Wood]

Kinda confused on where the cutting part comes in on kissing your own ass though Vance

It was once described that having to explain a joke is like dissecting a frog; when you are done you have all of the parts but nothing works anymore.