Yes, there is a long debate...
But, you NEVER want to remove all the growing tips from a tuft!
Again, it's NOT the tool. It's what you do.
Interior foliage on shimpaku turning yellow
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But, you NEVER want to remove all the growing tips from a tuft!
Again, it's NOT the tool. It's what you do.
Old interior foliage that is shaded out does this. If it's not shaded out, it doesn't.
Here's a picture:
Perfectly healthy shimp. The foliage is very dense. Boon is pulling back some foliage with his fingers to reveal the interior. And, indeed, there is a bit of yellowing of interior foliage. Because the foliage was so dense, the interior was "shaded out".
If the foliage had been thinned so that sunlight could pierce the canopy, no yellowing. My tree is that way. I keep it so that sun light can get inside. Interior gets light.
I do that so that the interior will stay alive and backbud. That way, I can periodically cut back to that interior growth and use that instead of the outer canopy just getting larger and larger year after year.
matthughes404
Sapling
I'm really interested in getting a couple of black pines of my own, and would love to check out one of your classes. Do you have a "JBP for beginners" class? The ones I've seen on the Plant City Bonsai mailing list have all been about black pine repotting or ramification.
JBP need work 3 times a year. I teach 3 classes a year, teaching the appropriate work needed for the season.
Just jump into the cycle whenever you want. The next one will be all about decandling. And a little needle pulling, and wiring. It's a good time to wire right after decandling.
Just jump into the cycle whenever you want. The next one will be all about decandling. And a little needle pulling, and wiring. It's a good time to wire right after decandling.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Surely you're not suggesting old juniper foliage doesn't turn yellow and fall off? You've been doing this long enough to know that it does. It's happening in my garden at this very moment.
No, it does.
I usually remove old juniper foliage before it reaches the yellowing stage.
But this juniper, doesn't have any yellowing occuring right now.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Thank you. Yes, we usually do remove the old stuff before it turns yellow.
Obviously the OP hasn't done that, so that's why it's there and he's asking about it.
Since we are sharing...This one has no yellowing foliage either.
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
Lovely tree...I can envision clouds parting and angels singing.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Yes agree. Just thought I would post a summary of the whole debate, rather than leave it out and start the pinching/no pinching discussion here too. That it can cause trouble... that became obviousely clear on 2 trees I took to a workshop in 2014. One person showed me how (not?) to do this. He had been doing this since beore dinausours roamed the earth, so I trusted his judgement..
One is in the bin, the other has sprouted new branches, but the whole pant needs to be regrown.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
It is not a debate.
It was Adair and Vance confusing us.
Vance uses his fingers as the tool to do it right.
I think Adair uses a well wielded wine bottle shard.
Sorce
It was Adair and Vance confusing us.
Vance uses his fingers as the tool to do it right.
I think Adair uses a well wielded wine bottle shard.
Sorce
matthughes404
Sapling
I got around to trimming the yellowing/dying foliage this weekend, and it's looking much better! I didn't realize how many growing tips I had removed a few weeks back.
For a quick review of what I've learned, always leave at least one growing tip on a shimpaku branch, or else that branch will die back completely. Is that a correct rule for me (and other shimpaku novices) to follow in the future?
For a quick review of what I've learned, always leave at least one growing tip on a shimpaku branch, or else that branch will die back completely. Is that a correct rule for me (and other shimpaku novices) to follow in the future?
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
According to proper pruning techniques....
You should leave all the growing tips intact.....
As you are never really pruning the "tips".
Leave runners grow to keep the branch healthy. A healthy runner would be the "one" to keep intact.
But that leaves you a lot of research to do!
Sorce
You should leave all the growing tips intact.....
As you are never really pruning the "tips".
Leave runners grow to keep the branch healthy. A healthy runner would be the "one" to keep intact.
But that leaves you a lot of research to do!
Sorce
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Paradox
Imperial Masterpiece
Lol
Adair and BVF "sharing" trees is the equivalent of bonsai epeening.
Adair and BVF "sharing" trees is the equivalent of bonsai epeening.
I had to look that up.
Uh, I don't think so. BVF and I are in agreement on this issue.
Boon, on Facebook, recently posted several trees that had been improperly "pinched" a couple years ago. It will take them another two years to recover from it.
matthughes404
Sapling
I know when you trim the terminal bud on other species, it stimulates back-budding on that branch. Is there any way to do that with a shimpaku?
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Paradox
Imperial Masterpiece
I don't mean the discussion about pinching. I know you agree. It was just funny to me.
"See this juniper....not pinched, no yellow"
*posts very nice trunked shimpaku*
"Yep I agree. I also have such a juniper, see?"
*also posts very nice trunked shimpaku*
The rest of us just sit here and drool
I had to look that up.
Uh, I don't think so. BVF and I are in agreement on this issue.
Boon, on Facebook, recently posted several trees that had been improperly "pinched" a couple years ago. It will take them another two years to recover from it.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
I believe there is a resource here on it.
I know there is one at bonsai4me.com.
It is a little harder to Identify a "terminal bud" on a juniper....
But it will work about the same way.
Just be sure to cut back into the pad..
But I really ain't qualified to answer that question from experience....
If these guys stop talking to each other...
Maybe you can get a better answer.
Sorce
Paradox
Imperial Masterpiece
You're repeating yourself Adair...lol
Check out my post below or above the first time you said this.
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