The future of our planet

[coh]

I'll probably field his response to me then delegate him to the ignorant list.
I took everyone off a couple weeks ago.
Thought I'd give these idiots a chance.
But he went to calling me fat,ugly and out of shape.

That's "right" out of the playbook!

 

[M. Frary]

That's "right" out of the playbook!

It is.And it's what people who don't know who they're talking to do when the person who they are talking to are seemingly smarter than themselves.
Besides he doesn't know a thing about bonsai nor do I think he has any I'll be putting him on the list.
There's no way I can learn a thing from him. And apparently he can't or doesn't want to learn anything here. Or he would more active in the tree forums. Not just in the tea house.

 

[americanelmer]

You started the name calling, I only responded in kind.

"But he went to calling me fat,ugly and out of shape."

You think you aren't?

A_E

 

[just.wing.it]

France is famous for being filled with the most vile, rude, stinking, racist, COWARDLY, pretentious, condescending assholes in the entire world,

This sound like DC too!

And amen to your whole post there, truth hurts sometimes, most of the time.

 

[americanelmer]

One more for you Frary:

Forest from volunteer American Elm seedlings around rock. Started in NY in 2004 now growing in FL.

 

[M. Frary]

You started the name calling, I only responded in kind.

"But he went to calling me fat,ugly and out of shape."

You think you aren't?

I only made fun of your pseudonym.
Its a fake name that you hide behind.
I posted 2 pictures.
One of me with my dog. The other of you with a tree.
Both pictures on other threads here. But since I know you only hang out to troll I posted them in this thrrad.
To show you I dont hide like you alluded to.
You went right cutting me down about my appearance.
You even cut down my tree.
So keep using the fat and ugly card.
It only keeps making you look like a witless fool.
Besides you are the one who started it.
By alluding to I haven't a clue about what this thread is about. That I should stick to talking about bonsai. Not the first time you've done this to me either.
Brought my intelligence into question doing it. Basically calling me stupid.
That's where I got the clue about the Elmer Fudd. From your very first post in the thread.

 

[americanelmer]

I only made fun of your pseudonym.
Its a fake name that you hide behind."

No its a screen name like many others on this list use.
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The other of you with a tree.
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You really are losing it now.
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Brought my intelligence into question doing it. Basically calling me stupid.
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But Mike you are and show it by the things you complain about and rail against. To coin a phrase "You can't fix stupid".
Sorry about that.

A_E

 

[americanelmer]

That's "right" out of the playbook!

What page?

 

[M. Frary]

One more for you Frary:

Forest from volunteer American Elm seedlings around rock. Started in NY in 2004 now growing in FL.

13 years! Badsss!
Man you should write a book on how to develop bonsai.
I bow to your prowess with bonsai. A real master.
You were right,your trees are nothing.
The one I showed was 12 months after collection.
13 years!
What a joke!
Literally it was the funniest thing you ever posted.

 

[M. Frary]

What page?

Hahaha!
Just how dense are You?

 

[americanelmer]

I will take my tall elegant elm over your short, fat and ugly one anyday. To each his own.
A_E

 

[americanelmer]

Hahaha!
Just how dense are You?

So you don't know. Thought so.

 

[americanelmer]

Just finished fertilizing my +/- 200 trees and 90 Orchids.. Over and out 'til another time.

A_E

 

[M. Frary]

At least now we know why you don't post trees here.
I'd be embarrassed too.
I would think after 13 years it would look,well a little better.
I don't mess with what you call elegant trees. Mine have taper and movement.
Now if you want you could chop it down to 2 inches and regrow. It gives you that taper and movement that's desirable.
Also,13 years is too long. In order to fix that one I would take it out of the pot and into a grow box. They will fatten up more and faster.
Its not too late for these trees. You just have to be brave enough to do the work.
Remember,there is a bonsai in it. Do you have what it takes to bring it out.
There are forums here dealing with elms and group plantings. Go check them out,get out of the tea house and learn something for God's sake.

 

[ianb]

Your contribution to what?

Well, for you to be eating crepes instead of sourkraut? The U.S. did help liberate France from Germany, twice.

LOL you do realize that without the French you'd still be a British colony...and I might be able to find a decent fish n chips in this place.

You (I don't mean all US citizens, but people like you) have been the major source of conflicts and wars for decades, so you'd better put it down.

The pot calling the kettle black? France, as well as others, has a long history of conquest for the love of money, albeit mostly long ago. But it is there, none the less.

Yes but while Europe evolved in that respect the US does tend to stir things up still.

You might just be surprised how many agree with "extremist" opinions. I would be willing to speculate that most of the middle class has "extremist" opinions in your eyes. But you are probably right, the middle class is getting smaller and when we are gone, there goes the rest of the country's free lunch.

Indeed, it's quite bewildering really

 

[Mellow Mullet]

First, if you type outside the brackets, your reply won't be inside of the quote.

Second, this thread has really gone south of climate change.

I doubt seriously that we would have remained a colony. The French really did not help much until the end with troops and ships, mostly just arms and loans. It was in France's interest that we won anyway, the did not do it out of the kindness of their heart. If they had not entered the war it would have lasted longer, but the English would have eventually given up.

Besides, if it is fish and chips you want, come to the Heart of Dixie and I'll fix some of Mellow Mullet's famous fried fish and potatoes. I had speckled trout, fresh caught, just last night.

Yes, Europe has involved into something, not quite sure it was for the better, but they have evolved is a nicer way to put it. I am not sure that the extremist middle class is ready for that evolutionary step, which is where the non extremists want to take us. I think Margaret Thatcher said it best, "The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of someone else's money."

 

[justBonsai]

Christ...do people really have anything better to do than throw baseless insults? I am convinced that no one wants to have a reasoned civil discussion. Everyone already believes what they do and are hell bent on undermining and insulting anyone who believes otherwise. Maybe we all should just stick to bonsai and have our political debates elsewhere.

This is my opinion on global warming and human induced climate change. First off natural weather cycles resulting from geological changes are on a time scale many orders higher than a human life span. So much so that local changes in climate are of significant concern and not just a little blimp in overall long trend. This is not even arguing science or opinion. If you can't even understand this much it's not even worth talking to you.

I also agree that it is pointless to needlessly worry over things you cannot control. To implement policy and the shift of mindset that will lend towards more conservative and environmentally friendly practices is a multi-generational thing. Just being human is to be innately selfish and by living we suck out so many resources from our environment. Am I suddenly going to forgo all my electronics, live off grid, and produce no waste? No. But within the scope of my regular life I will still be conscientious about what I can do. I always pack out other peoples trash when I hike in the mountains, I commute by bike when possible, I try to avoid producing needless waste and will reuse things whenever possible, and so on. This is just the bare minimum and is not that hard to do.

Actually I take that back. There is something even easier you can. At the least we can just have mindset and values that will help foster a sense of respect and care for the environment in the current and future generations. So that as they go into their respective professions they can help implement practices that were to difficult or did not happen in the previous generation. Basically you just need to care. That is the bare bones minimum.

I agree with @Dav4 that a lot of the green movement is just for people to feel good about themselves. Not many people are willing to inconvenience and burden themselves without some kind of return or morality badge that says you're better than others. It's also not cool to diss our scientists and what they provide in terms of innovation and convenience.

I've worked in university lab for under 2 years and also one of our own government national labs. I have great respect for what people do there and the amount of work they put in.

I am sure anyone here who has worked in academia, research, or most any science orientated career can tell you how painstakingly long of a process it is to take research and bring it into industry or something usable. It is not a glamorous job and certainly not the most high paying. It is a long, slow paced commitment with a lot of failures and struggles. But they're the people trying to innovate and in some fields, provide convenient ways for us to be more "environmentally" friendly without significantly impacting our style of life and habits.

At the least we could try to make some small changes...

 

[Anthony]

Folks,

why not ask Alain if he was born in France.
You might get a surprise.

I somehow do not like the idea of a desert Trinidad or a Tundra Trinidad.
The island is extremely beautiful, and abundant in wildlife.
We even have the American nightingale or was that mockingbird, preferring
to live here, rather than go home.

So I am all for protecting that which I love and looks after me.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[JoeH]

"very impelling."

That's compelling for people who speak English.

And the huge type doesn't make the drivel this guy writes any more compelling.

Mike you are a very confused person. Stick to writing about Bonsai where at least you have a clue.

A_E

When the future of this planet is in the hands of rude ignorant insulting idiots its doomed.

 

[coh]

I also agree that it is pointless to needlessly worry over things you cannot control. To implement policy and the shift of mindset that will lend towards more conservative and environmentally friendly practices is a multi-generational thing. Just being human is to be innately selfish and by living we suck out so many resources from our environment. Am I suddenly going to forgo all my electronics, live off grid, and produce no waste? No. But within the scope of my regular life I will still be conscientious about what I can do. I always pack out other peoples trash when I hike in the mountains, I commute by bike when possible, I try to avoid producing needless waste and will reuse things whenever possible, and so on. This is just the bare minimum and is not that hard to do.

Actually I take that back. There is something even easier you can. At the least we can just have mindset and values that will help foster a sense of respect and care for the environment in the current and future generations. So that as they go into their respective professions they can help implement practices that were to difficult or did not happen in the previous generation. Basically you just need to care. That is the bare bones minimum.

I agree with @Dav4 that a lot of the green movement is just for people to feel good about themselves. Not many people are willing to inconvenience and burden themselves without some kind of return or morality badge that says you're better than others.

The things you and GrimLore describe should be considered to be the bare minimum, we should all be doing these things. Every little bit helps. BUT...it won't be enough. We have to also make smart decisions about who we elect to represent us, and we have to apply pressure to those elected officials to work globally toward reducing our overall impact on the environment. That will potentially have a much bigger impact on the kind of planet future generations have to deal with than picking up some garbage while hiking in the mountains.

It's also not cool to diss our scientists and what they provide in terms of innovation and convenience.

I've worked in university lab for under 2 years and also one of our own government national labs. I have great respect for what people do there and the amount of work they put in.

I am sure anyone here who has worked in academia, research, or most any science orientated career can tell you how painstakingly long of a process it is to take research and bring it into industry or something usable. It is not a glamorous job and certainly not the most high paying. It is a long, slow paced commitment with a lot of failures and struggles. But they're the people trying to innovate and in some fields, provide convenient ways for us to be more "environmentally" friendly without significantly impacting our style of life and habits.

People show their ignorance when they bash all scientists as money/grant hogs. It's like claiming all cops are racists who want to harass minorities, or all soldiers are sadistic baby killers. I'm an atmospheric scientist by profession and I've known and worked with many other scientists over the years. While there are some bad apples (like in any profession), the vast majority do science because they love the process, love the challenge of unraveling the mysteries of the universe.

I don't work in climate science but I do keep up with the latest research findings. And it's true - we can't be 100% certain that humans are the primary cause of the current global warming trend. We don't have all the data we need, and computer models - while incredibly sophisticated compared to what we had 40 years ago - are still only approximations of the atmosphere/earth system. But the overwhelming weight of evidence is on the side of anthropogenic global warming. So what do you do - wait until you have absolute proof at which point it is too late, or do you accept the small chance you could be wrong and go ahead and make changes based on your best understanding of the science right now. I think the choice is pretty obvious. Besides, even if we're not correct about global warming, the types of changes that would be implemented would still be beneficial to ourselves and the planet.