The "Rules" of bonsai

Probably a lot like guitar.
I still haven't mastered one of those yet.
I can do Eruption and the solos for a few Megadeth and Metallica songs but it would probably take years to master an Enema scratch solo.
I stand corrected.
I play guitar off and on since I was a teen. As a teenager I played for 5 years and all I learned were Metallica songs.
 
I play guitar off and on since I was a teen. As a teenager I played for 5 years and all I learned were Metallica songs.
I'm self taught. I used tablature. The first song I ever learned was Seek and Destroy.
I'm still working on all of the guitar parts for Hangar 18. Dave Mustaine is tougher to figure out than Hatfield or Captain Kirk. But then again he taught James rhythm guitar.
I love to go into music stores,plug into a Marshall and let rip Master of Puppets. It draws a crowd.
@sorce worked at a Guitar Center before,I believe. He probably saw guys in there like me a lot.
Showboating.
 
He probably saw guys in there like me a lot.

Lol....most we called Wankers!

I most liked when there would be a dude on each of the 4-5 drumkits jammin...

That and the Acoustical room...
More hair raising experiences in there than anything else.....

There is nothing like the sound of a really really expensive acoustic. IMO.

Sorce
 
What I wanna say...comparing music as the art to visual forms of art doesn't make sense to me. I can admire a painting at the gallery side by side with a rapper, look at the picture with the same eyes, getting same feelings. On the other hand I can't stand his music. The matter of receptors, sound vs. visual art?
 
I just saw on another forum where someone actually told a person to raise the tree up in its pot and mound it up.
It was already potted right.
 
Here's a guy who made music his life but cared less about any rules of music.

During his lifetime the instruments he played were becoming increasingly refined and perfected. The bores lacquered to exacting dimensions to produce balanced, clear and perfectly tuned sounds.

He intentionally played very rough instruments preferring a natural sound. His flutes were large and of such rough construction that nice clear notes were nearly impossible and tuning was all over the map. They would often produce unique rough and natural sounds. He actually didn't even call himself a musician.
He would get up at 3:30 everyday, beat himself around the head and body with a big bamboo stick, twirl it around etc.. Then he'd blow in his bamboo all day.
Got ran over and killed by a motorcycle while walking around in the dark one morning at the age of 87 I think.
The sounds he produced were definitely not always what people would typically call music but.....

He plays a bit at the end of the video here.


I wonder what kinds of bonsai he liked?
 
How about when out looking for trees to collect does anybody look for trees that already follow the rules?
Branches in order type stuff. I actually do.
 
Mike,

when we collect seedlings by the drains or roadside, and it is a type we know, they are brought
back, made sure they go to Health and then a drawing is made of what they could become.
The drawing then guides the way.
Makes life much easier .
Good Day
Anthony


A sample - was from a cutting

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Anthony, it depends on the age of material you are collecting.

With young seedlings you can do a miracle.

If you wanna collect more mature tree, you really should look for some certain features.
 
Anthony, it depends on the age of material you are collecting.

With young seedlings you can do a miracle.

If you wanna collect more mature tree, you really should look for some certain features.
Like this jack pine.
It has first branch,second branch and back branches all in order. It also has taper. The bottom sacrifice branch will go as soon as it fastens the base more but it has branches in all the right places now. 20160904_194116.jpg
 
Peter,

agreed - but, on our side,

[a ] Not good to encourage collecting of older trees, clay soils, and most can't keep the tree alive.

What we discovered with ground growing negates any interest in collecting trees.
Somehow trees from drawings, are a lot more exciting.

So these days the mantra has become ------------ seedling, wire shape if you wish, tile for roots, if the tree has them,
colander for say six months, then ground grow and we can get 6 branches as the trunk/roots come in.
In fact we are working on the idea of Bonsai at 15 inches, 3 inch trunk, 6 branches in 3 to 5 years.

However age comes after 8 to 10 years.

Sort of makes Bonsai more attainable.
Good Day
Anthony
 
Not sure why the writing changed size-------- not shouting or making some especially valid point.
Humble apologies.
Anthony
 
Anthony, make sure I understand your point and see this way as one of options. We all do it this way too.

But what I wanted was to support Mike's post in the name of this thread and the rules of bonsai and get it back on the track.

I intentionaly did the post with the rapper at the gallery and let it sound idiotic... unfinished to attract attention. Hmm...

OK, will skip it. I think we are dealing with these set of rules of bonsai, @Adair M ?
http://www.ausbonsai.com.au/wiki/index.php?title=Rules_of_Bonsai ...or
http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/rules.htm

I consider them very helpful, they guide us how to make believable miniature look like mature tall tree.

Restrictions? I wouldn't say the rules of bonsai do dictate us how many branches or pads or negative spaces we have to use...what bonsai style to follow, nothing about flow, ballance, visual weight... So I think there's enough freedom for those following the rules.

What would you ALL say after reading this document that provides some guidelines for certain bonsai styles? (pdf file, do not worry to download)
http://www.bonsai-bsf.com/magazine/intermediate_bonsai.pdf
Peter,

agreed - but, on our side,

[a ] Not good to encourage collecting of older trees, clay soils, and most can't keep the tree alive.

What we discovered with ground growing negates any interest in collecting trees.
Somehow trees from drawings, are a lot more exciting.

So these days the mantra has become ------------ seedling, wire shape if you wish, tile for roots, if the tree has them,
colander for say six months, then ground grow and we can get 6 branches as the trunk/roots come in.
In fact we are working on the idea of Bonsai at 15 inches, 3 inch trunk, 6 branches in 3 to 5 years.

However age comes after 8 to 10 years.

Sort of makes Bonsai more attainable.
Good Day
Anthony
 
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I just saw on another forum where someone actually told a person to raise the tree up in its pot and mound it up.
It was already potted right.
That's too bad. There is a lot of mis-information on the Internet.
 
Anthony, make sure I understand your point and see this way as one of options. We all do it this way too.

But what I wanted was to support Mike's post in the name of this thread and the rules of bonsai and get it back on the track.

I intentionaly did the post with the rapper at the gallery and let it sound idiotic... unfinished to attract attention. Hmm...

OK, will skip it. I think we are dealing with these set of rules of bonsai, @Adair M ?
http://www.ausbonsai.com.au/wiki/index.php?title=Rules_of_Bonsai ...or
http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/rules.htm

I consider them very helpful, they guide us how to make believable miniature look like mature tall tree.

Restrictions? I wouldn't say the rules of bonsai do dictate us how many branches or pads or negative spaces we have to use...what bonsai style to follow, nothing about flow, ballance, visual weight... So I think there's enough freedom for those following the rules.

What would you ALL say after reading this document that provides some guidelines for certain bonsai styles? (pdf file, do not worry to download)
http://www.bonsai-bsf.com/magazine/intermediate_bonsai.pdf
The rules in the ausbonsai and evergreens links are similiar. Both have an error. Under the "pots" category, they state that the tree should be potted behind the center line if the pot. That's incorrect. The tree should be potted ON the centerline front to back. We want to have the roots equally strong front and back. Potting the tree in the back will make the tree's roots unbalanced. On rectangular and oval pots, do pot slightly off center. NOT 2/3 the way over as some "rules" state. That's too much, and again the rootball will be lopsided.
 
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