Word of warning

My favorite, hands down, is the praying mantis. I love to see them on my bonsai, and I'm very careful not to scare them away. Sometimes, when I see two of them, I place one on each of my thumbs, and have them face each-other for a boxing match. They almost never bite my fingers, but they could give a good pinch if they wanted to.
 
I have no tolerance or compassion for anything that bites or feeds on me or my house.

Two days ago I dug a tick out of my shoulder that I got walking through a nursery. Now I just have to hope I didn't get any of the numerous tick born diseases common here.

Several years ago my husband got bit by a brown recluse. He spent 3 days in the hospital and still has the scar on his back from the wound it caused.
Since then all spiders found on my property have a death sentence that is followed through immediately, no if ands or buts. There is plenty of wooded property around for them to be in, they don't need to be in or around my house.
 
Two days ago I dug a tick out of my shoulder that I got walking through a nursery. Now I just have to hope I didn't get any of the numerous tick born diseases common here.

Yep, they are ticks, just being ticks, and spiders being spiders. We kill them, and sometimes they kill us. And they won't change any time soon. They will probably be here on Earth after humans are long gone.

I go hiking almost every week, and they are part of the wilderness. Very inconvenient creatures, so I just try to stay out of their way. Not much else we can do. Nature is supposed to be dangerous, that's the whole point of the food chain.

It's funny how when we say " we love Nature", we don't really mean it. Yes, we love to look at a nice waterfall while sitting next to a picknick basket. But as soon as a bee stings us, our love for nature is quickly goes sour.
I am not trying to be sarcastic here, just pointing out our love-hate relationship with mother nature. They say that bonsaists in general love nature. I am not sure what that means, since we don't love the spiders on our bonsai. :)

PS.: for the record, I have no problem with spiders being part of nature, EXCEPT mosquitoes. For all intents and purposes, mosquitoes are NOT part of nature. They are evil.
 
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Yep, they are ticks, just being ticks, and spiders being spiders. We kill them, and sometimes they kill us. And they won't change any time soon. They will probably be here on Earth after humans are long gone.

I go hiking almost every week, and they are part of the wilderness. Very inconvenient creatures, so I just try to stay out of their way. Not much else we can do. Nature is supposed to be dangerous, that's the whole point of the food chain.

I work in the environmental science field and have camped in the "wilderness" my whole life. I also spend lots of time out on the ocean fishing so I have a pretty good understanding of the food chain. When I go out into the "environment" (woods, grassy fields etc) its expected that you might encounter some critter or another and you take appropriate precautions. Didn't expect it from a nursery, particularly the one I was in.

I will and do draw a line when it comes to my own property and will do what I can to keep the populations of illness causing beasites down to a minimum. Your perspective changes somewhat once you or your family winds up in the hospital and/or you've spent enough time and money on doctors, vets and medications for you, your family, and your pets not to mention repairs to your house from ants and termites.

Besides its pretty creepy being fed upon even if it is "just part of the food chain".
 
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I work in the environmental science field and have camped in the "wilderness" my whole life. I also spend lots of time out on the ocean fishing so I have a pretty good understanding of the food chain. When I go out into the "environment" (woods, grassy fields etc) its expected that you might encounter some critter or another and you take appropriate precautions. Didn't expect it from a nursery, particularly the one I was in.

Glad to hear that you are not one of those "armchair" nature lovers who prefer to live in a bubble. There is plenty of those, you know..:)
...and I have to admit that I have little patience for them (not that it matters what I think).

But I understand that once you were victimized by one of these critters, your outlook on them will change. It's just human nature. Yes, it's creepy to be part of the food chain, but I try to look at it with as much objectivity as possible. We are the top of the food chain, and we are the ones eating and killing others, so I just can't condemn a critter's attempt to defend itself, or feed. So, I try to coexist with them as much as I can, and only kill them when I have no other choice.

I also grew up on a farm, for part of my youth, and we had to raise our own livestock and kill them for food. So I have no problem doing that, if I have to feed myself. But I try to think that life is precious for every creature.
 
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Funny thing about ticks, they're just butt-ugly, bulldog mosquitos. What's the difference?

Ticks are a HUGE problem here in the east as deer populations have exploded (a by-product of the "can't kill anything because it's mean" line of thinking). I've been bitten hundreds of times, sometimes dozens of times at once--while collecting trees late in the season. Deer ticks are carried by deer and mice. They're everywhere. I have ticks in the azaleas in the front yard. In the east, they carry Lyme Disease, babesiosis, Tuleremia, Rocky Moutain spotted fever, erlichiosis and a few other nasty things.

I grew up in rural areas in the 60's and 70's. I never had the problem with ticks in those environments that I do in this suburban/metropolitan area now. The issue is relatively new and has grown as suburban areas have grown and deer found a new refuge.

I've been lucky enough not to have contracted Lyme or any of the other crap--very lucky. My dog got blood poisoning from a single tick bite that damn near killed him.

If they allowed thinning of the deer population in this area, things might be different, but people become irrational when you talk about killing deer, even when the top five causes of automobile accidents in this county are deer collisions. There is a theory that Va. has the most black vultures in the U.S. because of all the roadkilled deer.

Yeah, nature can kill you, but it's most likely to come from the 120 lb antlered animal coming through your windshield. How lyrical and picturesque.:rolleyes:

What's more humane? Being hunted (as deer are a prey animal) or winding up as emaciated tick food stuck to the front of a smashed-in Volvo?
 
Yes, overpopulation of deer can cause huge problems. There should be a program in place for thinning them back to a healthy level. Beside, deer meat is delicious...I would welcome it in stores, as long as it's tested for mad cow disease and other pathogens.
 
Good lord now I'm going to be scared turning my trees. I don't think we have any black widows or recluse where I live, I think. I hope I'm right.
 
Dateline June 27, 2012:

Tom, the bonsaist loses arm to multiple recluse and Black Widow bites. Thought he didn't have any? Film at 11.
 
Good lord now I'm going to be scared turning my trees. I don't think we have any black widows or recluse where I live, I think. I hope I'm right.
Tom, the only Black Widows I ever heard of in MA were found in bags of grapes sold in the produce section of a Super Stop and Shop...shipped in from CA:D.

When I moved to GA and was house hunting, 2 houses we looked at on the same day(both vacant) had black widows with their webs hanging from the front door. One door had a nest full of hundreds of baby spiders that came spilling out when I destroyed it with a stick (needed to get into the house). I'm not afraid of spiders but that was a high blood pressure moment for me! The South grows spiders and their webs like nobodies business...the back of my house which is shaded all day long grows webs like a beard and needs to be broom cleaned once or twice a year. Pulling webbing from my hair and face has become a morning routine during the spring and summer as I walk in the yard. Still, I consider spiders to be beneficial and don't pull down their webs unless I have too...including those in my bonsai (haven't found any black widows yet). I do, however, show no mercy to the little scorpions that manage to find their way into the house.
 
I have black widows occasionally just brush them off. Been bitten twice, under houses. Not allergic to poisen oak either.

Still battling those huge spider mites though. Saw one last week standing flatfooted screwin that chicken with the toilet plunger and the jar of peanut butter. Spider mites...just the sound of them gives me the willies.

Hey...I'm gonna get a jar with a Fresno spider mite and a black widow and see which one wins. The victor gets to duel a praying mantis! When I'm done I'm gonna fry it with a magnifying glass!

What if they mate instead? Then you'd be the creator of Spawn of Satan!
 
Rockm, being just a bit north of you I am surprised that I have never run across a black widow. Wolf spiders are our specialty here. That and BIG moths. I found these guys in my garage in one week. The spider is pictured near a screw head that must be about 1/4" diameter. That makes that spider about 3" across including legs. The size combined with wolf spider's super quick speed makes this guy a candidate for chasing with a 12 gauge. I just setup a sprinkler on timer for while I'm on vacation. There should be all kinds of undesirables under the pots when I get back. I'll have nightmares about latching onto a wolf spider being ridden like a horse by a black widow. Thanks for ruining my vacation Rockm.
Oh, my current avatar is something that lives outside a window where I vacation in Maine--His body is about the size of a quarter. But these are good guys who eat undesirables. I think they are called a Cat-faced spider.



 
I think theses flesh dissolving spiders are probably not an essential part of any ecosystem and should be exterminated.

You know that people may become wistful at the thought of the Dodo bird or George the late Galapagos tortoise or the Jars of Bloater paste never to be seen again but for these damn savage spiders and the testacle curdling injuries they inflict it's gotta be survival of the fittest too.
 
Lordy,

I've got wolf spiders that size down here too. They don't bother me for some reason. I wouldn't worry too much about black widows really. They're around, but mostly you don't see them. I only saw this one because it chose a very bad place to make its home -- the pot it was under was also extremely large and allowed it some room. Most "normal sized" bonsai pots (like between 15-7 inches or so) don't have enough space underneath for a spider like an adult black widow.
 
Most "normal sized" bonsai pots (like between 15-7 inches or so) don't have enough space underneath for a spider like an adult black widow.

That's the bottom line. From hundreds of potted plants that I have, there has NEVER been a single case when black widows took refuge on them. Another thing: I've NEVER seen a single black widow making her web on any of my trees, whether the trees grow in pots or in the ground. And that is a large sample size. So, as a general rule, you would never expect a black widow on your bonsai...with rare exceptions, apparently.
They only like dark, hidden, and creepy :) places, with room to move around. They also don't like getting showered. I don't keep my bonsai in dark and hidden places.
Their web is easily recognizeable: very messy and irregular. When you see a nice web, that never belongs to them.
 
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I gotta stop reading this thread, it's starting to creep me out. And I've gotten pretty used to spiders after being really phobic of them years ago. When you move out to farmland, you get used to stuff, snakes, dead stuff and whatnot... getting golden orb spinners (they're big!) in your face while mowing in the pines...

Funny (now it is) story, I was at my parents years ago, having dessert, and took a swig of milk, saw something out of the corner of my eye, set the glass down, and saw the legs of a nice size black spider scribbling around in the bottom of the glass... I ran out of the room screaming. Mom now puts her glasses upside down in the cabinet, like I do.
But when I get a drink of water at night from the bathroom glass..... I always wonder....
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