Yamadori elm advice and prospect

[garywood]

Just to clarify ... When we say nebari we mean roots on the surface right? Then what do we mean by base? The trunk widening out right above nebari?

And I guess young and old are relative terms i know some yamadori can be centuries old, but this tree is 17 years old (counting rings on taproot just below soil). Which by the way surprised me, I would have guessed half that, but I guess growth in nature and growth in cultivation are drastically different.

Tex, it could very well be half that age, depending on how you count the rings. Typically there are two rings per year.

 

[Poink88]

Collect nebari... nothing else matters.... is a rookie way to look at yamadori. With yamadori - TRUE yamadori... that's the one thing given a lot of latitude. If we only collected trees with great nebari, some of the most famous collected trees I know would have never happened. Because of their general age... yamadori doesn't require nebari by any means. I only mention this because there is a difference between the youngish tree which has been collected here... and true yamadori - which this is not. I don't want people (newbies) to confuse these facts.

But you are correct that nebari (surface rootage) is a crucial factor in suitability for most people to concern themselves with in general, when selecting material from any source. If it's there you save years of work... if it's not you learn how to develop it.

I will also say that giving oneself a pass that killing trees is ok and has no impact, is a very rookie thing to think. I find callous indifference to the value of life disturbing to be honest. I don't want people to be frightened that trees die so they quit... but there is a loss, and a breach on your part to nurture them when they do, that fact should not be dismissed out of hand. I think that must be a level of difference in practitioners... when you realize what you've gotten yourself into, and you mold your life to meet their needs.

I am saying this with all respect, and this is only my perspective. I'm pretty passionate about the sacred obligation between artist and tree. Neglect is a sign of tremendous disrespect for the art and life. Value nurturing the tree and the tree WILL reward you with beauty.

Kindly,

V

I agree V. I perfectly understand where you are coming from.

As far as I know...ALL my collected plants/trees are actually saved from being destroyed/trashed.

I do take some (avoidable) risks with them though and may have lost a few due to it. I am guilty still.

 

[sorce]

Collect nebari... nothing else matters.... is a rookie way to look at yamadori. With yamadori - TRUE yamadori... that's the one thing given a lot of latitude. If we only collected trees with great nebari, some of the most famous collected trees I know would have never happened. Because of their general age... yamadori doesn't require nebari by any means. I only mention this because there is a difference between the youngish tree which has been collected here... and true yamadori - which this is not. I don't want people (newbies) to confuse these facts.

But you are correct that nebari (surface rootage) is a crucial factor in suitability for most people to concern themselves with in general, when selecting material from any source. If it's there you save years of work... if it's not you learn how to develop it.

I will also say that giving oneself a pass that killing trees is ok and has no impact, is a very rookie thing to think. I find callous indifference to the value of life disturbing to be honest. I don't want people to be frightened that trees die so they quit... but there is a loss, and a breach on your part to nurture them when they do, that fact should not be dismissed out of hand. I think that must be a level of difference in practitioners... when you realize what you've gotten yourself into, and you mold your life to meet their needs.

I am saying this with all respect, and this is only my perspective. I'm pretty passionate about the sacred obligation between artist and tree. Neglect is a sign of tremendous disrespect for the art and life. Value nurturing the tree and the tree WILL reward you with beauty.

Kindly,

V

Thanks Vic.

Shortly after posting, I thought about mentioning this is in reference to deciduous trees. Sorry for the omission.

Also, only in regards to digging them out of the ground. If this is what one must do.

If I had access to D trees I could go back to later, I would air layer them anyway. In which case, Nebari doesnt matter at all!

(Theory) If given the opportunity, one could use the vigor of an entire tree to style a branch, layer it and only have root work to do.

Also, it kills me to see folks with this sort of access digging and chopping. Why not chop it and style it in the ground? Again with the vigor of its entire root system.

The excitment of the dig I reckon.!

Finally, your balance of professionalism, knowledge, respect, willingness to share, and honest politeness in critique, makes your character one many should aspire to. It would make for excellent forums! And much greater bonsai!

Sincerely,

Sorce

 

[Txhorticulture]

Update

the elm tree i controversially dug is not dead it seems...... Yet anyway.

I just noticed 9 or 10 new buds pushing out all over the trunk. I was beginning to worry it has been at or near 100 degrees pretty much every day.

I guess I'll keep watering it a couple times a day. See if i can get it to grow before fall.

 

[Txhorticulture]

Images of buds

Here are a few pictures of buds

 

[sorce]

Hell yeah Tex.

Pamper that trunk.

Lovely bark.

Boom!

Sorce