Atom#28
Chumono
As a newbie myself, his were the first videos I watched. I thought he was a bonsai GOD!!!
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As a newbie myself, his were the first videos I watched. I thought he was a bonsai GOD!!!
BunjaeKorea
Omono
Don't get me wrong..... I love watching newbs do bonsai vids. It's good for the hobby.
But Mr Chen is an über newb with age. Hence people assume his a Master.......
His style is more penjing in form anyway but.....
I will take you to China and show you real penjing....
It is insanely good.
Atom#28
Chumono
Peter Chen: "don't be afraid...Be BOLD, make big cuts!"
Me: *Butchers all the trees*
Me: *Butchers all the trees*
BunjaeKorea
Omono
He’s a hack. Granted, it’s a huge nursery, and he’s got to maintain a zillion trees, so he takes shortcuts.
The bad thing is he PROMOTES those shortcuts as proper technique. It’s one thing to say he does shortcuts on rough stock, but once a tree goes into serious training, he changes to use a more refined technique. But he doesn’t. And he shows some pretty nice material that he says he keeps the same way. It could be spectacular, if he applied good technique.
BunjaeKorea
Omono
Yeah....be bold when you actually need to be.....
Notice how he has a falling out with the British Bonsai Society........
I wonder why.
He's a businessman not an artist
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
leatherback
The Treedeemer
All is fair in love and war?
I thought youd take it as a badge of honour?
BunjaeKorea
Omono
Seriously. For some reason everything is estimated at 100 years old.......go through his videos.....everything is 'about a hundred years old '. He has great white pine but they are treated like niwaki not bonsai.
Seriously whats with using scissors on candles?! They snap off without scissors and do less damage to the tree......I guess the term 'pinch' candles is for make believe.
What's more annoying is that people believe he is correct.
Seriously whats with using scissors on candles?! They snap off without scissors and do less damage to the tree......I guess the term 'pinch' candles is for make believe.
What's more annoying is that people believe he is correct.
BunjaeKorea
Omono
Lol I don't mind. I am so Korean now that Koreans say I make them look white.
Today I had a lecture and fixed my native Korean students Korean grammar lol
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Are you talking about the Peter Chen that wrote this in the 1990 ies? Because that does not sound like a newbie..?
Bonsai. The Art of Growing and Keeping Miniature Trees.: Chen, Peter: 9780890099469: Amazon.com: Books
Bonsai. The Art of Growing and Keeping Miniature Trees. [Chen, Peter] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Bonsai. The Art of Growing and Keeping Miniature Trees.
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BunjaeKorea
Omono
If I build a house poorly for many years and continue doing so until I get old.......
Does it make me a professional builder?
If I build a house poorly and write a book advocating my techniques does it make me a professional builder?
My house has really become my own judge.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
True. I did not mean to imply that time spent means you get better per se. But someone doing bonsai for 30 years .. is experienced and not a newb, just not as talented perhaps?
BunjaeKorea
Omono
Wrong techniques....
You can watch his channel and judge for yourself.
He has excellent material........but his best material is naturally beautiful and never developed beyond a raw form.
But leaving wire on and trimming things like a hedge just annoys me the most.
wireme
Masterpiece
It’s not like all the very highly regarded practitioners and pros out there agree with each other on everything. I believe that Expert to Expert pissing matches probably keep more of the kind of folks you guys are talking about than expert to newbie sword fights do.
Woocash
Omono
Ah, yarp. One thing I’ve noticed, mind you, is that a lot of the contradictions depend on where people are based, as well as who has been taught by whom or how long their.... experience is, for example. Still, as frustrating as it is, at least we have plenty of information available to pick the bones out of. A step by step guide is good but doesn’t always teach you anything.
BunjaeKorea
Omono
True but some info is just plain wrong too.
coh
Imperial Masterpiece
The problem I have is with people who speak in absolutes. A good example is the recent thread about the pine that was slip-potted. Someone came on that thread and told the guy the tree was going to drown because of what he did. No grey area, no "you could drown it if you're not careful of watering", just "it's going to drown". Very few things in life are that absolute (death and taxes, though lots of people manage to not pay taxes
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BunjaeKorea
Omono
Yeah, I was more referring to horticulturally unsound practices.The problem I have is with people who speak in absolutes. A good example is the recent thread about the pine that was slip-potted. Someone came on that thread and told the guy the tree was going to drown because of what he did. No grey area, no "you could drown it if you're not careful of watering", just "it's going to drown". Very few things in life are that absolute (death and taxes, though lots of people manage to not pay taxes
Warpig
Chumono
This is pretty much how i feel too, for what its worth. That goes for both sides. The other side being, It has worked for me so its the only way.The problem I have is with people who speak in absolutes. A good example is the recent thread about the pine that was slip-potted. Someone came on that thread and told the guy the tree was going to drown because of what he did. No grey area, no "you could drown it if you're not careful of watering", just "it's going to drown". Very few things in life are that absolute (death and taxes, though lots of people manage to not pay taxes
