Let me try this one more time

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i just did it and it's hard as hell. My personal growth curve sucks.
So I'll pick up the pieces of my ego and carry myself back to the beginner forum. :)
 

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@amcoffeegirl This is the kind of annoying thing I was talking about the other day... My fear is that we will end up with members like this guy (and a few others) and people like Al will leave... Then this place will be worthless...

Yeah, how dare people call him out on his hypocrisy? Funny how you don’t see it happening to other “people like Al”.
 

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That's not what we're talking about. He accused us of being untruthful. I want explanation for that unwarranted accusation.
People lie to themselves all the time in my experience. I’ve done it, only realizing it much later. People are very protective of their invested cost and can go to great lengths to justify the worth of what they have to themselves. I’m not sure exactly if that is what Al meant, but I can see it applying to trees like everything else.
 

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People lie to themselves all the time in my experience. I’ve done it, only realizing it much later. People are very protective of their invested cost and can go to great lengths to justify the worth of what they have to themselves. I’m not sure exactly if that is what Al meant, but I can see it applying to trees like everything else.

I’m not sure anyone exactly knows what Al meant.

When you have to interpret some shit, that’s what you’re doing..

I can put a ball gown on and peanut butter in my dogs mouth, and she still is not asking me to the dance.

Al is intentionally volatile it seems, and it’s relevant. Why? This post, the one I’m writing now.

From parrot to the bees ass we (really speaking for myself) slow down to see the wreck on the interstate, the moltov, the bull get stabbed...

Banana Rastasmoke threads get a zillion views comments likes and disgruntled fuck this shits...why is this...?...quite often, the discussion in Al’s threads don’t really have much to do with trees or applied skills.

Ironically, this is the theme (can’t speak for you Ak) that is underlying what may be the meaning or wish, possibly in some quasi form of grumpy trumpy altruism...show me trees worthy, or a willingness to ask and reveal..

Honestly, I’ve posted a few threads here, and I stopped..if there is something I need to know it’s not far from what is at least close to exact...

And...I don’t feel my trees are worthy of starting threads really....when surrounded by so many posts to learn from....

Al, I’ll change this and try to post more of my actual trees..wild and nursery, and state their possible direction, flaws, and importance. Meanwhile, I’ll continue to greatly appreciate those who state: that is wrong / don’t / I wouldn’t..as I learn and grow with this art

Still tho Al, you sure as hell are one salty cuss. If someone does snatch a pebble from your hand and there is a razor glued to it, it does not mean they don’t respect you or bonsai, and those weak bastards that do ignore you really aren’t weak, perhaps they are just wanting to not learn the monkey Kung fu and have shit thrown at them...

Wired thing about you and Ryan, you both talk about where you came from and why you do what you do..oddly a lot. I suppose when bonsai is your life you must build for others the stand that you yourself rest on, make it known, time moves regardless of us all and trees with.

Al, I’m sure this is somewhere..who were your teachers? How were you inspired? And what inspires you now as an artist?
 

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Also so far it seems that what the owners have to say about their tree is not very truthful. You have to get down and dirty and explain the flaws. I see people on here all the time listing what’s wrong with other people’s trees. You have to look at your own tree objectively. It’s the only way to move it forward.... unless moving it forward is not what you want to do... or your not capable of moving it forward.... or you don’t see any forward in the tree.

I said be honest. That’s the only way this works. You guys know what looks good and what doesn’t. Have the cahones to look with in your self and develop a wanting to improve.

I thought this was a great exercise! I just wish more forum members participated (especially the sleepers). As you said, it is very easy to dog someone else's work, but more challenging to do the same with your own trees. Have no fear Nuts!!!
 

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Eh. Posting a picture of your best tree and pointing out the flaws doesn't take any great amount of balls. How about posting all of your trees in a progression thread with several updates per year? Keep the thread going for years and show us how you get the tree for here to there. That's what I would rather see.
 

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People post their trees with self critique all the time and the usual response is...crickets. I'm thinking of starting a thread about my "Donald Trump Juniper", maybe that would get some interest.
 

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Eh. Posting a picture of your best tree and pointing out the flaws doesn't take any great amount of balls. How about posting all of your trees in a progression thread with several updates per year? Keep the thread going for years and show us how you get the tree for here to there. That's what I would rather see.

This is partially true. I've also posted many Home Depot finds (which are all sold or given away), and nursery stock that I try to keep updated as much as possible. The thing that makes our "best" trees different is the time and/or money involved. People can get very defensive when these trees are on display. I have heard of club members in cold sweats during big show critiques, lol!
 

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Eh. Posting a picture of your best tree and pointing out the flaws doesn't take any great amount of balls. How about posting all of your trees in a progression thread with several updates per year? Keep the thread going for years and show us how you get the tree for here to there. That's what I would rather see.

I started multiple threads over the weekend doing just that.
 

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This is partially true. I've also posted many Home Depot finds (which are all sold or given away), and nursery stock that I try to keep updated as much as possible. The thing that makes our "best" trees different is the time and/or money involved. People can get very defensive when these trees are on display. I have heard of club members in cold sweats during big show critiques, lol!
You should have seen Adair when Kathy Shaner was tearing his tree apart during her critique at the National show 2 years ago. He was sweating bullets!

LOL, only kidding ;) she wasn't too hard on it but it was very hot that weekend so the sweating part was real.
 

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This is by no means a bonsai yet, but working toward it. Plan for this going forward is ramification in the upper branches, and grow some girth in the lower ones before ramifying.20180706_162207[1].jpg
 

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Eh. Posting a picture of your best tree and pointing out the flaws doesn't take any great amount of balls. How about posting all of your trees in a progression thread with several updates per year? Keep the thread going for years and show us how you get the tree for here to there. That's what I would rather see.

https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/why-yes-mine-is-bigger-than-adairs.28729/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/bucida-spinosa.24187/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/collected-yaupon.21760/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/help-scott-pick-his-keeper.21589/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/memorial-cork-bark-jbp.25597/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/developing-a-large-willow-leaf-ficus.30288/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/black-pine-seedling-cuttings.24555/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/shohin-willow-leaf-ficus.24794/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/an-unusual-trident.16075/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/chuhin-broom-elm.22848/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/another-field-grown-trident.32839/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/a-japanese-black-pine.13619/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/pick-the-front-of-this-western-juniper.12335/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/field-grown-trident.18131/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/shohin-black-pine-from-seed.30414/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/scott’s-6-year-jbp-contest-entry.30487/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/ashe-juniper-heading-back-home.31873/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/collected-winged-elm.23095/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/wife-gets-a-swimming-pool-i-get-the-wisteria.25842/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/escambron-totally-underutilized-native-tropical.28889/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/peter-adams-ficus.25411/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/dwight-way-black-pine.21096/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/developing-a-collected-bc.32116/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/a-twin-trunk-sierra-juniper.17127/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/california-juniper-in-the-almost-tropics.18159/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/bald-cypress-clump.23003/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/japanese-maple-clump-from-bennie-badgett.22457/
 

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https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/why-yes-mine-is-bigger-than-adairs.28729/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/bucida-spinosa.24187/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/collected-yaupon.21760/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/help-scott-pick-his-keeper.21589/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/memorial-cork-bark-jbp.25597/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/developing-a-large-willow-leaf-ficus.30288/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/black-pine-seedling-cuttings.24555/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/shohin-willow-leaf-ficus.24794/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/an-unusual-trident.16075/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/chuhin-broom-elm.22848/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/another-field-grown-trident.32839/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/a-japanese-black-pine.13619/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/pick-the-front-of-this-western-juniper.12335/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/field-grown-trident.18131/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/shohin-black-pine-from-seed.30414/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/scott’s-6-year-jbp-contest-entry.30487/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/ashe-juniper-heading-back-home.31873/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/collected-winged-elm.23095/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/wife-gets-a-swimming-pool-i-get-the-wisteria.25842/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/escambron-totally-underutilized-native-tropical.28889/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/peter-adams-ficus.25411/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/dwight-way-black-pine.21096/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/developing-a-collected-bc.32116/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/a-twin-trunk-sierra-juniper.17127/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/california-juniper-in-the-almost-tropics.18159/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/bald-cypress-clump.23003/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/japanese-maple-clump-from-bennie-badgett.22457/
I was going to do that , but I ran out of bandwidth...
 

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https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/why-yes-mine-is-bigger-than-adairs.28729/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/bucida-spinosa.24187/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/collected-yaupon.21760/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/help-scott-pick-his-keeper.21589/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/memorial-cork-bark-jbp.25597/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/developing-a-large-willow-leaf-ficus.30288/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/black-pine-seedling-cuttings.24555/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/shohin-willow-leaf-ficus.24794/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/an-unusual-trident.16075/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/chuhin-broom-elm.22848/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/another-field-grown-trident.32839/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/a-japanese-black-pine.13619/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/pick-the-front-of-this-western-juniper.12335/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/field-grown-trident.18131/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/shohin-black-pine-from-seed.30414/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/scott’s-6-year-jbp-contest-entry.30487/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/ashe-juniper-heading-back-home.31873/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/collected-winged-elm.23095/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/wife-gets-a-swimming-pool-i-get-the-wisteria.25842/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/escambron-totally-underutilized-native-tropical.28889/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/peter-adams-ficus.25411/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/dwight-way-black-pine.21096/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/developing-a-collected-bc.32116/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/a-twin-trunk-sierra-juniper.17127/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/california-juniper-in-the-almost-tropics.18159/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/bald-cypress-clump.23003/
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/japanese-maple-clump-from-bennie-badgett.22457/

I know. That was the point. The forum is fine. No need for all this bitching.
 
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Al, I’m sure this is somewhere..who were your teachers?

Never had a teacher. The closest I have come to an actual teacher is Katsumi Kinoshita from Monterey California. When I was the President of the Japanese club for seven years he was the club sensei. He would drive over once a month and conduct an all day workshop mostly with the members and help repot their trees , help with pruning and do demo's. He was not there as a personal teacher for me just the club. Most of his teaching was on a bonsai 101 type method and not really what I would want from a teacher. As far as others mostly workshops, Peter Tea, Walter Pall, Boon Manikitivipart, David Nguy, John Naka, Harry Hirao, Ryan Neil, Michael Hagadorn, Peter Warren, Marco Invernizzi, Tomohiro Musumo, Ted Matson, Jim Gremel, Kenji Miyata, Masahiko Kimura, Shinji Suzuki, Kathy Shaner, Larry and Nina Ragle and last and certainly not least , Kunio Kobayashi. Thats quite a list and a lot of influence. Thats a who's who of most of the talent pool in the world.

How were you inspired?

I have no idea. Found bonsai in a nursery on my honeymoon and bought one. Been hooked ever since.

And what inspires you now as an artist?

You know, with the internet there is so much bonsai porn that really good inspiration is far and few between. It used to be that most people 25 years ago may only see a really good semi cascade conifer once in their life. I love the semi cascade form and really good ones blow my skirt up. The same with great literati. Now you can see a hundred from around the world in five minutes and a literati now unless it is mind blowing just doesn't have the wow factor it had 25 years ago.

Peace out.
 
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