nover18
Mame
What does 1/6 sliver of roots mean? I don't understand?
Trident Maple ideas?
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What does 1/6 sliver of roots mean? I don't understand?
nathanbs
Omono
no offense md but unless the OP wants a super tall finished tree your proposed cuts are way too high. The cut in the first virt actually creates horrific reverse taper if you look at it from that perspective.
As another said in this thread there are many ways to further propagate this tree as a bonsai. Many of those many ways are not correct and will lead to a poorly developed trunkline. To build a tree you need to understand what a finished tree looks like and reverse engineer it. It takes practice and trial and error to realize what each actions results will be. Personally I have over 300 trees in the ground that I am learning from
Poink88
Imperial Masterpiece
You can dig it and pot in a bonsai pot but...why did you plant this in the ground to begin with? The answer will help you answer why you should keep it on the ground until your main branches and new apex is developed. Undisturbed root system will help you attain that the fastest IMHO...partly chopping the roots over time hopefully will not slow it down too much. On the other hand, you can dig it up and develop a nice compact root but it will slow your top development. You choose your poison.
Poink88
Imperial Masterpiece
Imagine a doughnut...the hole representing the trunk and about 2" around it. if you slice the doughnut in six pieces...each piece represents the soil around it....say one foot wide. Each piece is a sliver that if you remove will also remove all the roots in it. remove the 2 opposite sides and you give the tree a chance to grow new roots close the trunk on those areas. You can also replace the soil at this time if need be. Repeat the next year removing the next 2 opposite sides. An the last pair...just dig out the tree. Make sure you dig it to the outside of the doughnut.
md4958
Sapling
None taken. The OP never specified what size he would like the finished tree to be. my suggested cut I estimated would be about 8-12 inches above the soil line, resulting in a tree around two feet tall. I guess OP might be after a sumo, but I personally dont find that look particularly attractive, so its not usually my go-to styling.
Yes, I see what you are saying, however:
1. That first virtual would be the SIDE view. I used that to show where he could air-layer and get himself a couple more trees out of this operation.
2. Again, based on the side view- The planting angle would need to be adjusted from left to right, and obviously that cut is a rough idea of where the finished cut would be. I left a bit of space for die-back, and then carving it down to correct the taper.
nover18
Mame
Imagine a doughnut...the hole representing the trunk and about 2" around it. if you slice the doughnut in six pieces...each piece represents the soil around it....say one foot wide. Each piece is a sliver that if you remove will also remove all the roots in it. remove the 2 opposite sides and you give the tree a chance to grow new roots close the trunk on those areas. You can also replace the soil at this time if need be. Repeat the next year removing the next 2 opposite sides. An the last pair...just dig out the tree. Make sure you dig it to the outside of the doughnut.
thanks...makes sense now.
drew33998
Masterpiece
John, You are the greatest. I mean who cares enough about bonsai to reply to a thread with a video? Haha. My family is actually from Gaston, SC. I have an aunt that lives there still.
Poink88
Imperial Masterpiece
I agree with john esp where to chop. I would add that when chopping...chop a bit outside that line then slowly nib the rest off. Sandwiched at that crotch area (between the 2 branches) may be some bark in between that you do not want damaged. If you are lucky, only half or a third of the chop area need to heal over. Good luck!
nover18
Mame
Thank you so much! That really clears it up. Great idea of making the video. I was actually thinking of trying to save the branch on the right and use that as the new trunk line since there is a bit more taper but now that you advise that this may not heal, i think i'll take your advice. I'll plan that for the spring and hopefully have an update. This should be a fun one. Thanks again!
nover18
Mame
update on Trident
Well, I took the advice and root and top pruned. This was quite the project. My back is not thanking me right now. The nebari isn't as beautiful as i had hoped but at least the tap root had previously been removed in fall of 2010. I will carve a little more out of the large branch removed so that the healing can begin. This was returned to ground and hope for lots of new branches to emerge from the top.
Well, I took the advice and root and top pruned. This was quite the project. My back is not thanking me right now. The nebari isn't as beautiful as i had hoped but at least the tap root had previously been removed in fall of 2010. I will carve a little more out of the large branch removed so that the healing can begin. This was returned to ground and hope for lots of new branches to emerge from the top.
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