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fredman said:
Does the Putin kids have the same over there....
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I'm pretty sure they don't have any security clearances in Russia. Their dad was in the KGB. Those guys like secrets. Theirs and the secrets of anyone else. He wouldn't want them leaking any of his. Then he would have to send them to Siberia at least.
Over here? God only knows who will have access to our secrets.
 
M. Frary said:
And now he wants his kids to have top security clearances. WTF!
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I have been a proponent of a nepotism clause in our Federal government for years. I hate the whole multi-generational government thing.

But let's face it, it's nothing new. Look at the Kennedys. Look at the Bushes. Look at the Clintons. In fact it seems more common than not.
 
Bonsai Nut said:
I have been a proponent of a nepotism clause in our Federal government for years. I hate the whole multi-generational government thing.

But let's face it, it's nothing new. Look at the Kennedys. Look at the Bushes. Look at the Clintons. In fact it seems more common than not.
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Craziness!
 
That does not make sense to me at all. Family members (especially unqualified or even inexperienced) just don't belong in a democratic setup of any kind......I would expect to find something like that, in a African dictatorship...:eek:
 
I don't know if Trump has already chosen his cabinet, but I heard names like Palin, Carson, and dropped a few f bombs! I really hope he brings out some talented people, from outside the political gangs.
 
Cadillactaste said:
Now, I'm not sure what the media has stated...but this was posted by Mr. Trump himself...now, who do we believe...the press or the President Elect? Hm-mm
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Not him. I don't believe a word out of his mouth. Never did. And never will.
He even wants a white supremacist for a senior advisor.
Hmm.
 
Wilson said:
I don't know if Trump has already chosen his cabinet, but I heard names like Palin, Carson, and dropped a few f bombs! I really hope he brings out some talented people, from outside the political gangs.
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Don't listen to the pundits. Don't listen to the "rumors". Just wait until he announces the positions. I'm not trying to defend his choices (since I don't know what they will be) but I am getting really tired of the media trying and condemning a decision that hasn't even been made yet.
 
Bonsai Nut said:
Don't listen to the pundits. Don't listen to the "rumors". Just wait until he announces the positions. I'm not trying to defend his choices (since I don't know what they will be) but I am getting really tired of the media trying and condemning a decision that hasn't even been made yet.
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I hear you, and here's hoping!
 
63pmp said:
The republican ARE the most dangerous group in the world.
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He didn't say "the world". He said the Republican Party "has become the most dangerous organization in world history". More dangerous than the Nazis. More dangerous than the Khmer Rouge. More dangerous than the Soviets in pre-WWII USSR. But his point was that Republicans are going to destroy the entire world because they may adopt a position that doesn't address global warming. Hyperbole aside, I agree with the position that global warming is a critical problem that needs to be addressed GLOBALLY. The United States represents 16% of global greenhouse gas emissions. Let us hope we continue to reduce our output, as we have for the last 12 years (yes - even when evil Republicans have been in the political majority). In the meantime, perhaps people might want to look at the other 84% of the problem - whose production of greenhouse gasses is INCREASING.

63pmp said:
See, immediately in your post you have labled chomsky.
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I haven't labeled him, he has labeled himself. I'm not sure how you want me to respond to this. Am I not supposed to know that the guy espouses anarchic/socialistic ideals? He has a very specific view of the role of government that is at odds with what the American People have voted for the role of government to be. Are we not a democracy? Or does his single opinion as a "public intellectual" trump the opinions of 120 million voters? To play devil's advocate, what if he came out as an extreme White Supremicist, and then wrote an article how he was concerned about President Obama getting elected. Am I not supposed to take his public political position into account when I evaluate his suggestions?

63pmp said:
Have you really thought about why the republicans are the most dangerous group in the world. Could it be that they do not represent the people. But only the 1% of the world. Those that own and run multinational corps. Those that profit from the destruction of the environment, that put profit over humanity. Research both sides of the story and really think about it objectively. Look outside of the US and see how the US is sucking the world dry for its own benefit.The china/US thing its about who has the power to suckup the most stuff from the world.
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Here I have lost you. Have YOU even read his article? He specifically talks about the reasons why Trump "broke all records in the support he received from white voters, working class and lower middle class, particularly in the $50,000 to $90,000 income range, rural and suburban, primarily those without college education." Trump ran on a platform CONTRARY to multi-nationalism, and wants to limit off-shoring, renegotiate international trade deals, and institute tariffs - the very opposite of what you seem to be suggesting is his position.

Politics in the US is a messy business, but the end result is usually much more moderate than what either party "warns" is about to happen. They like to play to their extreme constituents because that is how they get media air time and garner the most political contributions. It gets really sickening when you see BOTH party candidates pandering to Wall Street. But I highly recommend you turn off the pundits and the commentators and the editorialists, and watch to see what actually HAPPENS before you draw conclusions.

By the way, you're welcome for the help we just provided Australia with your illegal immigration problem. The US has a challenge with illegal immigration as well, but that doesn't stop us from reaching out to help our Australian friends. When we aren't busy sucking the world dry, that is :)
 
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To be fair the way Australia treats it's illegal immigrants is a disgrace, we have been universally condemned for it and to be perfectly honest, yes thank you Mr O for taking these people as a life in the US will surely be better than rotting away in some pacific quasi gitmo. Australia's government has long been awful, just lucky that we are insignificant enough that it spares the rest of the world from knowing about them.
I love my country but for 20 odd years it has been run by dickheads.
 
Starfox said:
To be fair the way Australia treats it's illegal immigrants is a disgrace, we have been universally condemned for it and to be perfectly honest, yes thank you Mr O for taking these people as a life in the US will surely be better than rotting away in some pacific quasi gitmo. Australia's government has long been awful, just lucky that we are insignificant enough that it spares the rest of the world from knowing about them.
I love my country but for 20 odd years it has been run by dickheads.
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It is not an easy problem to resolve, and it certainly doesn't help things when people start yelling at each other and calling one side rapists and the other side racists. I think illegal immigration is a problem but that doesn't mean I have lost my humanity. I'm kinda like the rancher that drives around on his ranch with a big tank of water. He wants the US to come in and install a border fence to protect his land, but he also doesn't want people to die just because they made the mistake of thinking they could walk across 300 miles of desert.
 
Bonsai Nut said:
It is not an easy problem to resolve, and it certainly doesn't help things when people start yelling at each other and calling one side rapists and the other side racists. I think illegal immigration is a problem but that doesn't mean I have lost my humanity. I'm kinda like the rancher that drives around on his ranch with a big tank of water. He wants the US to come in and install a border fence to protect his land, but he also doesn't want people to die just because they made the mistake of thinking they could walk across 300 miles of desert.
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Can't say that I disagree with any of the above statement but then again I'm not in the US so it doesn't impact me in the same way, the bitterness from both sides certainly does not help I would imagine. From afar this whole spectacle has been weird to see unfold and I don't think anybody is sure of what to make of it.
Australia is a different story as it is an island so has no land borders and I don't think much of the public agree with our policy but they keep on cracking down harder and it is not the right solution, I'm not sure what is but I'm pretty sure that treating other humans the way we do to "boat people" is not the right way of doing things.

That is why I said thanks to your previous post because I actually mean it, it was a good thing to do while you guys still can.
 
This may be somewhat of a long-winded tangent to the current conversation, but bear with me -

I just finished watching an interview of Neil deGrasse Tyson talking about the insignificance of our own worldly views as compared to the cosmic perspective, and I thought I'd share a revelation I had.

The realization I had is so simple yet so profound - something so primitive and simple it almost sounds absurd -

We will survive, we will persevere.

Listening to the cosmic perspective Neil laid out, I started thinking of everything that has happened in history - everything my ancestors went through, on this little rock in the cosmos, so that I could be sitting here at this moment typing these words in this forum.

My ancient Germanic ancestors survived the invasion of Rome and their subjugation and enslavement. They survived, they persevered.

My Irish and Scottish ancestors survived the torment and subjugation of the English, and the forced enlistment of the Union when they escaped to America during the civil war. They survived, they persevered.

My Native American ancestors withstood the onslaught of white invaders who took their land and destroyed their way of life, despite what the former and current governments do to them, they live on and they persevered.

I have nothing to complain about regardless of whether I won or lost in this petty contest of false democracy in a nation which contradicts itself - I have not seen Invaders, nor Enslavers, nor Subjugation, nor hardship like my ancestors saw - therefore I know I can survive, I can persevere. And when all the liberals and conservatives have finally exhausted all their pointless fighting and find peace, or they end up protesting, rioting, and destroying each other, I will be here doing the same as my ancestors have done for thousands of years. The sun will rise, the days will go on, and I will carry on with whatever work is lain before me. And I will welcome the day all this nonsense disappears and people wake up and realize what is truly important. But if that does not happen in my lifetime - I will still survive, I will still persevere - because that's what all us intelligent working folk do each and every day despite all the politicians attempts to burn this world to the ground with their "nation-building"...

It's been 100+ pages since I last posted on this topic, and frankly I'm done with following this one - I don't have time to worry about what kings and king-makers and all their sycophants do in their spare time, I have a world that needs to keep turning, and I need to help turn it. Here's to the working class heroes who really keep everything going despite the politicians who keep trying to muck it up for the lot of us... I tip my glass in your honor good madams and sirs. Hip, Hip, Huzzah!!! here's to the fact that this monumental clusterfuck will be naught but a foot-note in some history book a century from now. Hip, Hip, Huzzah!!!
 
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Bonsai Nut said:
It is not an easy problem to resolve, and it certainly doesn't help things when people start yelling at each other and calling one side rapists and the other side racists. I think illegal immigration is a problem but that doesn't mean I have lost my humanity. I'm kinda like the rancher that drives around on his ranch with a big tank of water. He wants the US to come in and install a border fence to protect his land, but he also doesn't want people to die just because they made the mistake of thinking they could walk across 300 miles of desert.
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The old adage; "Nature abhors a vacuum" applies to almost everything we do as a people.

Want to stop illegal immigration?... shut off the vacuum; fill those jobs with American workers at 1/2 the minimum wage and with no benefits... and, if the American people don't want those jobs, make the illegals Americans. Want to stop incarcerating people for pot: legalize/decriminalize the plant. Want to lower taxes on individuals and business; tax the shit out of the "sins" (tobacco, liquor, pot, prostitution, etc. The only taxes that I'd personally vote for.) Want to stop drug cartels from killing people and poisoning the kids; stop the demand... that means each and every person who needs "a little snort" on the weekend. Want to keep jobs at home; incentivize, not penalize businesses for being in your city, state, or country. Want to have what everyone else has; make a buck and save a dime. Want to compete on the world stage economically; realize that this is no longer the 1950's and become PART of world trade... protectionism is isolationism (yes, thats a word). Want to have a stronger social and family network; keep two parent families intact, and don't have children if you aren't going to foster a good person for the world to embrace. (*And fostering a good person, has nothing to do with the level of income in the home)

All of the answers to solve all of the problems are right in front of everyone to see; it just takes the right people to get off their ass and do what needs to be done, even if it goes against "the party line" or personal interests or beliefs... sometimes it's a personal change, sometimes it's a governmental change.

IMHO, when governments allow the same issues to persist from one regime to another, for years upon years, it simply means that they have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo... I don't think anyone in the past number of governments WANTED to address these problems; you choose the reason(s) why...

We all know that "you can't push a rope"... providing Governmental "lip service", is a great example of pushing a rope.

... but Nature is the great equalizer in all things human... ... to some extent, I think one could argue that that is how Trump got in... he just got sucked up by the big invisible vacuum... we'll see if he can reach the switch.

*Please note: Everything that I just said applies to every country on earth... we have our problems here too, so does Russia, the UK, UAE, etc, etc, etc...
 
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