What's it like to attend an Intensive program?

Thank you so much for this thread. I hope to revisit it in the near future when memory fails. A quick question if I may?

I tried to unwind wire today on a deciduous tree. It seems the unwound wire wanted to knock around the leaves... Is it fair to unwind and THEN cut off excessive wire or is that my lack of proper technique? Is the technique unique to conifers?

Great thread.

Looking forward to the next installment.

Ben, it may not be appropriate for me to respond but unwinding and uncoiling to me are different things. Uncoiling results in a wire that is almost as straight as when it went on. Unwinding is no rotational movement of the wire and results in a spring configuration. Application or de-wiring is the same, only in reverse, rotation of the wire and not using the branch as a fulcrum for leverage.
 
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Godzilla is Boon's tree. Yes? Everyone agree? Boon's tree.


There are many on this site that profess that if anyone else works on their tree, it's not their tree. I mean, really. If you take your car in for service, and get the oil changed, is it not still your car?


Lighten up people!

Geesh!

Thanks for posting this synopsis of your work at Boons.

I do have a critique though.

Like the Doctor anology in the last thread, you still need some work on these. The guy changing the oil does not chop your top and bob your fenders while it is being serviced. In the past I have worked at a collection maintaining trees. Most have been legacy trees donated by widows from some of the most important bonsai artists from bygone days. Some from John Naka, some from Umenori Hatanaka and the like. One of the hardest things we do is try not to impart our taste into the tree. It is very hard sometimes when working on a legacy tree not to turn it into a Keppler tree.
 

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Ok, now that I've figured out how to post photos, here's a couple more.

The second pic is Godzilla. A huge JBP. The first pic is of me, feeling proud and exhausted after a full day of dewiring, and pulling needles. Godzilla is looking at me, saying, "Is that all you've got? Wimp!" LOL

By the way... since we're talking about stuff here...

Godzilla is Boon's tree. Yes? Everyone agree? Boon's tree.

Ok, every Intensive student who comes thru Boon's has worked on Godzilla. Some, like myself, have unwired it, and pulled needles. I've seen intensive students wiring Godzilla. Others have done the bud selection. So, while Boon supervises us, most of the actual work of maintaining Godzilla is done by Boon's students. So, whose tree is it?

There are many on this site that profess that if anyone else works on their tree, it's not their tree. I mean, really. If you take your car in for service, and get the oil changed, is it not still your car?

How about Goshin, John Naka's great forest at the National Arboretum? Others are maintaining it now. Is it not John's tree?

Lighten up people!

Geesh!

Now, I know the exact thread you are talking about and I don't think you quite understood the posts you are referring to. I don't see a lot of people saying that if someone else worked on the tree it means it isn't theirs... What people said was that if they hired some pro to come in and style the tree they don't have the same attachment to it as they would have if they did the styling themselves... Or, in the case of Boon- SUPERVISED the styling. Hiring a pro to come in and style your tree for you because you don't feel you have the vision or ability to do it yourself is completely different than Boon directing students to style a tree in HIS vision, under his supervision. Let's not get it twisted here!

That said- this is a great thred with a ton of good info. Interesting to see so many techniques packed into one spot, thanks for posting all of this! I am a little bit... Conflicted about the Maple/ deciduous branch building techniques described. It is a complete 180 from Naka's teachings and I just don't know what to think of it right now. It makes sense but so does Naka's! I guess it is just further proof that there is more than one way to do EVERYTHING in Bonsai. That is what I think causes such a violent reaction to some of what you post sometimes Adair... I see you basically saying people are wrong for how they do it, when perhaps if it was just stated that you know of an alternative way to do things, people might not take such offense..

You have some great looking trees of your own, no doubt. I am appreciative of everything you guys posted here... Now, if you could just post a couple videos detailing everything he covers in his intensives- those of us who can't spend the money or take the time to go to one will have a chance to learn everything we need to know! Thanks in advance!! ;)
 
180 degrees opposite than Naka? Interesting!

When Boon teaches the deciduous branch building technique, he does mention that a gardener would probably choose the bottom bud rather than the top bud to work with!

John Naka was originally a Japanese Gardener!

I don't believe John was ever a bonsai apprentice in Japan. I know he went to visit, beyond that, I don't know.

Back in the day, I took a couple workshops with John. I picked him up at the Airport and ushered him around town when he can for his annual visit one year. I loved the man! His workshops were great fun!

But time goes on. New and better techniques are discovered.

Take JBP decandling, for example. It's not in his books. At the time he wrote Techniques 1 and 2, John didn't know about decandling. He only knew the old way of starving the tree of fertilizer and water, and keeping the tree root bound. So, it's not there.

After the books were published, he learned the technique, and taught it. But it was some 25 years after the decandling process was discovered and used in Japan.

So, yeah, John was a great ambassador for bonsai in the US. But he didn't know everything. Einstein was brilliant. He didn't know about black holes. Time passes, new discoveries are made. New techniques are developed.

So John's books are, sadly, outdated.
 
Eric,

It's not just that one thread, there's a lot of them with posters saying that they wouldn't want anyone else to work on their tree or else it's not "their" tree.

I think part of the problem is that bonsai is a relatively new art here. Whereas in Japan, trees have been passed down from one generation to another, they get complete makeovers from time to time.

I have a JBP I bought from Telperion Farms. It was advanced stock, with a large trunk, still has a few sacrifice branches on it to build taper. When I bought it, it was in an Anderson flat.

At what time, does it become "Adair's" tree? When I repot it? Did that two winters ago. When I cut off the sacrifice branch? Haven't done that yet. When I decandle it? Done that twice. When I wire it? Did that last fall. So is it my tree yet? Yes? Ok.

Uh, oh. There's a problem: I took it to a workshop! Yes, the Atlanta Bonsai Society brought Boon in to judge their show. And he led a workshop! And he thought I ought to graft on a new first branch! So he did! Virtually everyone in the workshop gathered around to watch Boon do an approach graft on my tree.

So, now, who's tree is it? Mine or Boon's?

Oh, wait! There's more!

A month later, Peter Tea came to town! I took the same tree in! We added another approach graft!

Who's tree is it now ?

Lets recap: it was at Telperion Farms for probably 15 to 20 years. I've owned it for two years. Boon touched it for 20 minutes. Peter touched it for 15 minutes.

Am I really doing bonsai? Lessee: I wired it, decandled it, water it, feed it, put it in its current training pot, purchased its future show pot, I've redone an approach graft when the first one didn't take, I've pulled needles, sprayed for fungus and insects, applied and removed cut paste, allowed new sacrifice branches to grow, cut others back...

Oh, if you're wondering, it was Peter's graft that didn't take. Soon after he put in the graft, we had a powerful thunder storm with really strong winds that dislodged the scion. I've replaced it.
 
180 degrees opposite than Naka? Interesting!

It's true. Opposite. In his book, Naka teaches to cut back to a downward facing bud. There are many other differences.

Scott

Naka, J., Bonsai Techniques 1, pg 48
 

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Einstein was brilliant. He didn't know about black holes.

You clearly haven't a clue about Einstein's theories nor what he did or didn't know.
But I am otherwise happy for you SOBs and how you're on the cutting edge of bonsai art. You are very priviledged.

Thanks so much.
 
It's true. Opposite. In his book, Naka teaches to cut back to a downward facing bud.


So which do you think really looks most natural and do you think Boon's way is the best for all species?

I find it interesting that this preference of Boon's is said to be based 'how trees grow', but I didn't see anything here nor in Jonas's recent blog post that looked like naturalistic bonsai (i.e., bonsai that looks like real trees; a la Walter Pall).
 
Adair,

We prune to horizontal only when building ramification then?

Sorce
 
Good question, I'm not sure. Let me research that a bit.
 
Wouldn't you use both vertical and horizontal for ramification? So the tips are layered.
 
Okay Adair,

another big thank you.

However, I am confused, with J.B.pine or just about any old established tree, why would you use a soil mix, with an ingredient that breaks down >
Would you not have to enter the core, to clean it out?

Would it not be better to try and avoid that, using a mix that does not physically break down, like silica?
I am going on the idea that roots die [ are composted ], and compost in the soil decays to fine material that filters out leaving room for new material to filter in, and you may not have to interfere with the core.
Or are pie cuts that only worked out solution, for old cores with trees ?

By the way I use the word, compost, because, the oil cake and or bean meal is either decayed or will decay [ to compost ] in use on the soils surface.
[I saw the word, Humus, used as the state of decay past compost, where the organic particles, returns to a ball type state ]

Our climate prevents the organic build-up, seen in Japanese soil, the bugs etc. are too active.

Lastly, what about Design ?

I am reading alot about Technique, and technical, but thus far how do you guys design?

Just simple triangles that are softened ?

Following traditional shapes from Japan?

Thanks in advance.
Good Morning,
Anthony

* In our $ [ 1 $ US = 6.35 / 6.50 TT ] your Boon course would be close to 40,000 TT $, and the plane rides ? Probably close to 60,000.00 TT for 10 days in total.

In 1982, my brother in law studied Fine Art for 3 years in Florence, Italy, room/ board, cooking etc. for just 100,000.00 TT $

How times have changed.
 
Osoyoung,

Privileged isn't the right word. It implies I have something not available to everyone else. I'm doing my best to share the information with others. I do feel I am fortunate that I worked hard during my life to be able to have the funds and time available to do something like this at this time of my life. I realize that many will not. So, I post the information, share the knowledge, give workshops, and try to help as many people as I can improve their bonsai.

I'm not really into Walter Pall's Naturalistic Style. Boon teaches classical Japanese Bonsai. Don't get me wrong, Walter has wonderful bonsai and is a great artist. I'm more into the concept of bonsai being an idealized version of what a tree "should be" rather than depicting trees as they are.

And, hey, I didn't mean to insult anyone with my Einstein comment. I did take a little astronomy in college, a long, long time ago! LOL!! And my memory was that Black Holes were discovered in the 1960s. Well... my bad. That's when the term "Black Hole" was coined. The concept was derived way back in the 1910's based upon Einsteins theories. Hey! Live and learn, right? I stand corrected.
 
Anthony,

About akadama... there's zillions of threads debating the merits of the stuff. Remember, to keep a tree healthy, we need healthy (young) roots, and healthy foliage. Repotting allows us to remove the old roots, and allow room for new, young, active roots to grow in the pot.

But, yes, from time to time it is necessary to go in and do what Boon calls a "Half bare root" repot. This is a more invasive repotting. Typically, we have to do these with nursery grown trees to get them out of typical nurseryman soil into bonsai soil. We also do these with collected specimens after they have survived the collection a couple years.

The idea is to replace half of the rootball completely. Either the front half, back half, left half or right half. You don't just cut the rootball back in half all over! Which "half" to bare root?

Usually, we try to bare root the weakest half first. There's a reason that half is the weakest, so doing it first gives that half a chance to get strong again in the good soil while the stronger side continues to sustain the tree. After a couple years, the formally weak side is stronger and will be able to support the tree, so we bare root the other half. Maybe in 10, 15 years it will be time to do it again.

Doing a half bare root repot is a lot of hard work! Getting all the soil out with bent tip tweezers, and a root hook without tearing up the roots. Depending upon how compacted it is, you may (probably) have to wash off some of the soil with a hose. Use a gentle stream of water. Be careful to only wash off the soil from the side you're bare rooting.

I hear some of you thinking, "But I was told never to bare root a pine!" True, you don't that's why we "half bare root". Part of that is to keep some mychorrazae. I probably misspelled that! It's a fungus that occurs naturally, and is beneficial to conifers. I have a picture of a tree that was half bare root repotted. A year later, I pulled it out of the pot to do the other half. The picture is below. I had just started to scape the bottom, when I noticed the clear distinction of the two halves. So, I had Boon snap a pic. The white half is full of mychorrazae, the dark half is the old nursery soil. I removed all the old dark soil. It was full of rotting pine bark and slimy roots.

I also potted the tree into a bonsai pot.
 

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You clearly haven't a clue about Einstein's theories nor what he did or didn't know.
But I am otherwise happy for you SOBs and how you're on the cutting edge of bonsai art. You are very priviledged.

Thanks so much.

To be clear, the S stands for student, not for sophomoric. I didn't see any claim to be a Kimura in this thread - a couple of accusations, maybe, and descriptions of what the learning environment is like, and the humbling experience of being told nearly everything you thought you knew was wrong. Some folks have got it all figured out already and such a class for them is clearly irrelevant. Perhaps you're in this camp. Others, like myself, are just muddling along and trying to figure things out. I've taken workshops from John Naka, Dan Robinson, Dave DeGroot, Jim Doyle, Pedro Morales and many others. If I choose try and learn from Boon for now, what's it to you or anyone else that it merits such disdainful backhanded comments?

So which do you think really looks most natural and do you think Boon's way is the best for all species?

I find it interesting that this preference of Boon's is said to be based 'how trees grow', but I didn't see anything here nor in Jonas's recent blog post that looked like naturalistic bonsai (i.e., bonsai that looks like real trees; a la Walter Pall).

The rationale that the upper branches shade the the lower so they survive and the lower don't makes sense to me. But if you think it's more natural for the opposite to happen, by all means do what Naka teaches.

To be clear, Boon doesn't teach Walter Pall's techniques or design philosophy. He is classically trained in the Japanese tradition - the techniques he teaches and his design influence are driven from that experience. Personally, I like Walter's trees. I like Boon's too. If you have a strong preference for the naturalistic style and don't like the highly refined Japanese look, Dan Robinson is only 3 hours away from you - study with him. He's got a good eye for material and you can spend hours and hours carving. Or go to Woodstock and study with Walter. I have a lot of admiration and respect for the man. Or both. Or neither, I don't care. But if you do so you probably shouldn't study with Boon or Ryan too. There's something to be said for mastering a single set of techniques instead of trying to piece it together based on conflicting information from many different teachers.

Scott
 
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Back to the Potting Intensive:

See that picture in the last post? That's how we work the bottoms of the trees. I'd posted this picture on another thread a long time ago, and Smoke questioned me about it, implying I had somehow faked it. He noticed I had a root rake in my hand, and there was white stuff on the table that had been raked off, and he implied that I had scraped that off the dark section of roots.

No, that's not how we do it. When we turn the rootball on it's side like this, we scrape straight across the bottom, starting at the bottom. Why the bottom first? Well, you see that stuff falls off, right? If I started at the top, it would pile up on the table next to the root ball. Thus making it hard to get to the bottom, lower part of the rootball. No, start at the bottom, and work your way up! Far easier! "There's a technique to everything!"

That white half is white through and through, and the dark half is dark through and through.

When I pointed this out to Boon, he took a picture, and posted it on his Facebook page.

Other stuff we do at the Winter Intensive:

Pull needles on JBP to balance the growth.

Back in the fall, we pulled the old needles. This cleans up the tree, and exposes the interior wood to the sun. Often by late winter, early spring we see where some dormant adventitious buds may have been stimulated to form. Be careful with those, they're very delicate!

At the repotting Intensive, it is also time to check the JBP for balance. The idea is to get the tree to have the same apparent density of growth (foliage) over the entire tree. The top of the tree is the strongest, and the lower branches are weaker. Sometimes the lower branch terminal tips are strong, but the interior buds will be weaker.

So, since the idea is to have the tree "in balance" all over, the general approach is to weaken the strongest parts of the tree to match the weaker sections. If it were possible to strengthen the weak parts to match the strong parts, we'd do that, but no one has figured out how to do that, so our only approach is to weaken the strong parts to match the weak.

We do this by needle pulling. This can get very tedious. Let's say we see that our lower branches have 12 pairs of needles. This would mean that the middle section of the tree might need to have 7 to 9 pairs to look as thick as the bottom. Which means the top needs to have 3 to 5 pairs. Counting needles on every twig is a tedious job. Earlier, you saw the picture of Godzilla. At one Intensive, another student was assigned the job to pull needles on Godzilla. After a couple hours, I felt sorry for them, I went over and helped!

Now those numbers I just posted, are guidelines, and the actual number can vary, based up the size of the tree, it's overall vigor, etc. The numbers aren't as important as the appearance when the job is completed.

Also, let's take two terminal buds. One has twice as many needles as the other. Another balancing technique is to leave the needles on the weak bud alone, and just pull needles from the strong bud to match the weaker bud.

We're very busy at the Winter Intensive.

Oh... One person noticed that I have posted a lot about "Technique" and little about "Styling".

Boon covers styling in the "Handouts" section of the class in the mornings. Branch placement, trunk movement, selection of fronts, and all that occur all the time, but we also study the Kokufu-ten books, and we have exercises to do: Boon gives us a sheet with trunks. We draw on where the branches should be. Or how the silhouette should look, or where the apex should be. And we discuss the options. This instruction occurs at all the Intensives.
 
you still have to give some credit to boon... he is a genius!
He charges people to leave trees there... then he charges you to repot and wire the trees! That´s a stroke of genius if you ask me! :D
 
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