The bonsai heresy thread

[brewmeister83]

pfff... can you be any more chauvinistic?

I'm talking about plants, not other people
personal preference of material and not some aggressive display of excessive or prejudiced support for one's own cause, group, or sex. (hint hint - that's the definition of chauvinistic)

You do realize this is a joke thread in which you are taking what I say way too seriously, right?

Or did you perhaps have an American juniper with grafted foliage and were offended by my post. Well, to that I say:

Buckle up buttercup and grab a hard hat - if nonsense like this triggers you, you're in the wrong forum.

 

[M. Frary]

putting Asian foliage on an ancient, rugged American plant

Would be the only way to go for me.
Most foliage on the "ancient,rugged American plants" is large and coarse.

 

[just.wing.it]

I'm talking about plants, not other people
personal preference of material and not some aggressive display of excessive or prejudiced support for one's own cause, group, or sex. (hint hint - that's the definition of chauvinistic)

You do realize this is a joke thread in which you are taking what I say way too seriously, right?

Or did you perhaps have an American juniper with grafted foliage and were offended by my post. Well, to that I say:

Buckle up buttercup and grab a hard hat - if nonsense like this triggers you, you're in the wrong forum.

Hahahahaha! ?
Amen brother!

 

[just.wing.it]

pfff... can you be any more chauvinistic?

Trolling huh???
Is that all you gleaned from that??
?

 

[Adair M]

I'm talking about plants, not other people
personal preference of material and not some aggressive display of excessive or prejudiced support for one's own cause, group, or sex. (hint hint - that's the definition of chauvinistic)

You do realize this is a joke thread in which you are taking what I say way too seriously, right?

Or did you perhaps have an American juniper with grafted foliage and were offended by my post. Well, to that I say:

Buckle up buttercup and grab a hard hat - if nonsense like this triggers you, you're in the wrong forum.

Hmmm...

You posted this not very long after you questioned me why I’m grafting Kishu onto a Big Utah juniper.

And you expect me NOT to be insulted?

What is it about Kishu you don’t like? That it’s Japanese, not American? If I were grafting an American foliage on a Japanese trunk, would that be more acceptable?

Bonsa, at its highest levels, is an art. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do to create the image.

Sierra Juniper, up in the mountains are green. Take them down the mountain, put them in a container, and for whatever reason, the foliage turns blue.

So, what’s the correct thing to do? Keep the original (blue) foliage, or replace it with foliage that looks more like it does up in the mountains where they grow naturally?

 

[LanceMac10]

I use shit with Turface…...shit, I use Turface!!

 

[bonsaichile]

I'm talking about plants, not other people
personal preference of material and not some aggressive display of excessive or prejudiced support for one's own cause, group, or sex. (hint hint - that's the definition of chauvinistic)

You do realize this is a joke thread in which you are taking what I say way too seriously, right?

Or did you perhaps have an American juniper with grafted foliage and were offended by my post. Well, to that I say:

Buckle up buttercup and grab a hard hat - if nonsense like this triggers you, you're in the wrong forum.

Hint hint: Nit its etymological meaning

 

[Lorax7]

You do realize this is a joke thread in which you are taking what I say way too seriously, right?

Actually, it really wasn’t intended as a joke thread when I started it. However, I think the majority of people posting just saw the title and didn’t read the question that I asked and, so, the thread went off the rails pretty quickly and became a joke thread.

My original intent was to identify areas of conventional bonsai practice that are perhaps more dogmatic than evidence-based.

 

[brewmeister83]

Hmmm...

You posted this not very long after you questioned me why I’m grafting Kishu onto a Big Utah juniper.

And you expect me NOT to be insulted?

What is it about Kishu you don’t like? That it’s Japanese, not American? If I were grafting an American foliage on a Japanese trunk, would that be more acceptable?

Bonsa, at its highest levels, is an art. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do to create the image.

Sierra Juniper, up in the mountains are green. Take them down the mountain, put them in a container, and for whatever reason, the foliage turns blue.

So, what’s the correct thing to do? Keep the original (blue) foliage, or replace it with foliage that looks more like it does up in the mountains where they grow naturally?

Gahhh, I realized the timing was bad too, was hoping you wouldn't notice - trust me this was not intentional nor a direct jab at ya Adair. Posted both and was like "well... shit... ok, here we go... open mouth, insert foot". I've got nothing against grafting as a technique or people who want healthier tighter foliage on their trees (see caveats in post #59) This comment was more directed at people who have trees that look good and that don't really need grafting, but go ahead and graft anyway because they have the mindset that everything Japanese is superior without maybe valuing the merits the current native foliage has (like you showed me in the other thread, there is native stock with great foliage characteristics). Concerning the Utah, I completely agree, the foliage was too sparse and didn't look that great, I might have considered grafting myself in that instance if i couldn't make the native foliage work after a decade or so. Got nothing against Kishu, Tried growing a starter piece of it years ago and failed (Juni are the one plant that somehow still eludes me) but I'm trying my hand at junipers again this year. It just seems like it's one of the "in" varieties this decade, hence why I used it as an example. Lastly, being the heresy thread, I kinda went a little overboard with the theatrics of the post - sorry if this really offended you Adair, I really meant nothing by it.

We cool bro?

P.S. - for the record, I don't mind a bluish tint to my foliage, helps it stand out from the sea of all the other bright green plants. Just a personal preference I guess

 

[brewmeister83]

Hint hint: Nit its etymological meaning

Hint Hint: Look at me not caring about your semantics, and not wanting to carry on this silliness any longer. You trollingly called me a chauvinist without getting to know me first. I don't waste my time conversing with name-callers. Done.

 

[bonsaichile]

Hint Hint: Look at me not caring about your semantics, and not wanting to carry on this silliness any longer. You trollingly called me a chauvanist without getting to know me first. I don't waste my time conversing with name-callers. Done.

Etymology is not semantics. Better care about your ignorance lol

 

[LanceMac10]

Never did this tree have anything but "scale" foliage from "then" four+ years ago 'till today.....Iishii graft, probably on San Jose. Even despite my rookie-ness!!

Native is just not going to do that, and look this nice! (I mean, it looks nice to me), but it's vigorous and needs ANOTHER trim.

 

[Anthony]

My entry was not a joke.
Anthony

 

[brewmeister83]

Actually, it really wasn’t intended as a joke thread when I started it. However, I think the majority of people posting just saw the title and didn’t read the question that I asked and, so, the thread went off the rails pretty quickly and became a joke thread.

My original intent was to identify areas of conventional bonsai practice that are perhaps more dogmatic than evidence-based.

My apologies, guess I am a little guilty of that. Unfortunately I have a habit of sometimes mis-reading the room... Although my post about the larch was true

 

[M. Frary]

Never did this tree have anything but "scale" foliage from "then" four+ years ago 'till today.....Iishii graft, probably on San Jose. Even despite my rookie-ness!!

Native is just not going to do that, and look this nice! (I mean, it looks nice to me), but it's vigorous and needs ANOTHER trim.

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It's much better than before.

 

[bonsaichile]

Never did this tree have anything but "scale" foliage from "then" four+ years ago 'till today.....Iishii graft, probably on San Jose. Even despite my rookie-ness!!

Native is just not going to do that, and look this nice! (I mean, it looks nice to me), but it's vigorous and needs ANOTHER trim.

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Hard to argue with those results! Nicely done!

 

[LanceMac10]

Thanks Mike!! Heheheeeee

At repot, you would have chuckled.....40-45 minutes to get it out of the pot...….30-55 seconds ripping up the root ball by hand!!!!!
About a month ago.....heeee...I can't remember!! At least that long, so I think it's gonna' make it!!

 

[M. Frary]

At repot, you would have chuckled.....40-45 minutes to get it out of the pot...….30-55 seconds ripping up the root ball by hand!!!!!

It happens.
By hand is how I go at roots too.
My fingers are softer than a chopstick or root rake and they can feel things.
I might have chuckled but would know what was happening. You don't want to tear roots up until you can see them so getting them out of the pot does take time. But once out it isn't the time for dilly dallying.

 

[GGB]

"Pinus aristata is a slow grower" heard it a few times. These are my spring candles, the second flush happens in June and is usually 2/3 the length. That's a growth rate of over 2 feet a season, at least while young

 

[JoeH]

Trolling huh???
Is that all you gleaned from that??
?

I don't even see the chauvinistic part of the quote.